More authoritarian idiocy - illegal to own uninsured car now

[Scraggles]

looks a good idea, if you want a car to be off road and not insured or taxed, SORN it

this might help stop all the immigrants and chav's from driving round in uninsured cars

[thinfourth2]

Scraggles said:

looks a good idea, if you want a car to be off road and not insured or taxed, SORN it

this might help stop all the immigrants and chav's from driving round in uninsured cars

How?

Explain how this will stop people driving cars with no tax anyway from driving on the road.

Baring in mind a large percentage will have no driving license anyway.



If they outlawed silver cars it would stop more folk driving uninsured then this will

Edited by thinfourth2 on Sunday 9th January 13:47

[Political Pain]

All these 'civil liberty killing' type laws that were proposed/introduced during the boom years were possible because there was a boom and as a result a burgeoning bureaucracy to benefit and enforce, the only hope is that the realisation that the state can't afford to grow any bigger and more interfering that is our potential saviour.

That and hopefully a constantly growing number of people who loathe the infringements, all we need now is to embarrass the 'state groupies' that ra-ra every law as being 'fair and just' because it suits their own minority cause.

I'm sick to the back teeth of having fringe minority holding greater and increasingly sinister sway over my life and what is spent in my name after being pick-pocketed by the state at every petrol pump in the land.

[Jacobyte]

I have a 1963 Mini Van that hasn't been used since 1995. I plan to restore over the next few years. I did not SORN it, because:

DVLA website said:

SORN isn’t needed if: ... your vehicle was last taxed before 31 January 1998

Reference here: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicl...

Where do I stand on this insurance malarkey?
(Yeah, I know... DVLAVBRJ, etc)

[Morningside]

What an absolute load of fking bks!

The scum that drive around WITHOUT any/provisional licence are hardly going to give a toss are they? Oh, but off road etc - Does the Government really think that these people have a car registered to their address?

Last year the DVLA lost my details for change of car and I was given a fixed fine for it, even though I had sent the new ownder details. So under new rules if the new driver had been driving with no TAX then I would been fined for no insurance? fk 'em.


Oh, and I bet the insurance companies are rubbing their hands in glee to rip us off even more.

Edited by Morningside on Sunday 9th January 14:23

[powerstroke]

Personaly I think the whole DVLA and the way we tax and insure our cars needs sorting out, perhaps scrap the Tax disc and issue number plates to indviduals not vehicles so a uninisured scrote or immigrant will not be able to buy a plated car= no plates, no insurance, etc.... simples

[Shuvi Tupya]

powerstroke said:

Personaly I think the whole DVLA and the way we tax and insure our cars needs sorting out, perhaps scrap the Tax disc and issue number plates to indviduals not vehicles so a uninisured scrote or immigrant will not be able to buy a plated car= no plates, no insurance, etc.... simples

Stop it.

[thinfourth2]

powerstroke said:

Personaly I think the whole DVLA and the way we tax and insure our cars needs sorting out, perhaps scrap the Tax disc and issue number plates to indviduals not vehicles so a uninisured scrote or immigrant will not be able to buy a plated car= no plates, no insurance, etc.... simples

I own 3 cars, my wife is insured to drive all 3

I can drive her car,

I can drive the office pool car

Not so simples

[powerstroke]

thinfourth2 said:

powerstroke said:

Personaly I think the whole DVLA and the way we tax and insure our cars needs sorting out, perhaps scrap the Tax disc and issue number plates to indviduals not vehicles so a uninisured scrote or immigrant will not be able to buy a plated car= no plates, no insurance, etc.... simples

I own 3 cars, my wife is insured to drive all 3

I can drive her car,

I can drive the office pool car

Not so simples

im not saying take the plates with you!!! when you park up, Im saying its your car/s with Your plate/s or the firms car/van,,, just when you sell you keep the plate car has a VIN number you have the licence plate simples eh...

Edited by powerstroke on Sunday 9th January 14:56

[thinfourth2]

powerstroke said:

thinfourth2 said:

powerstroke said:

Personaly I think the whole DVLA and the way we tax and insure our cars needs sorting out, perhaps scrap the Tax disc and issue number plates to indviduals not vehicles so a uninisured scrote or immigrant will not be able to buy a plated car= no plates, no insurance, etc.... simples

I own 3 cars, my wife is insured to drive all 3

I can drive her car,

I can drive the office pool car

Not so simples

im not saying take the plates with you!!! when you park up, Im saying its your car/s with Your plate/s or the firms car/van,,, just when you sell you keep the plate car has a VIN number you have the licence plate simples eh...

Edited by powerstroke on Sunday 9th January 14:56

if you are saying you buy a new plate every year that has tax and third party insurance it is a workable idea.

But nothing to stop the uninsured driving around with invalid/stolen plates.

No paper system can stop people driving uninsured the only thing that can stop that is enforcement by plod.

[Larry Dickman]

shakotan said:

Larry Dickman said:

shakotan said:

The problem with this new ruling is thus;

You have a car.

You wish to sell the car and buy a new one.

The car currently has tax.

You cannot simply buy a new car until you've sold your old one, as you cannot transfer the Insurance policy to the new car, and leave the old one uninsured, albeit off the road.

You could cash in the tax on the old car, SORN it, keep it off road, and buy your new car, transferring the Insurance across, but then you devalue the sale price on the old car?

You could sell the old car, and have a 'car-free' period, whilst looking for the new one, but you'll need to cancel your current Insurance policy early, potentially losing a year's worth of No-Claims, and then start a new policy when youi find your new car.


Sounds like a royal pain in the arse to me, for no beneficial reason to anyone.

Edited by shakotan on Saturday 8th January 23:06

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, all you need to do is transfer your insurance to the new car & if the old one isn't sold within 14 days simply declare it as sorn. I don't think it's got any thing to do with the ved so just leave it on the old vehicle. If you sell the old car before you buy another simply inform your insurance so they can put your insurance on hold.

As soon as you transfer your Insurance, the old car becomes illegal as it isn't insured. You can either have a car taxed or SORNed, you can't have both at the same time.

But the other stories I've read about this don't mention ved, I always got the impression that there would be a separate sorn for ved & a separate sorn for insurance, otherwise, as you say, the system simply wont work.

The problem is with these linked articles is that they never fully explain exactly how these new measures are going to work. I can't believe that even a U.K. government would bring in new measures that are impossible to use.

Edited again because there was a word spelt so badly that even I didn't know what I was trying to say.

Edited by Larry Dickman on Sunday 9th January 16:26

[Shuvi Tupya]

Larry Dickman said:

I can't believe that even a U.K. government would bring in new measures that are impossible to use.

Sure they would, and it will take a few years to figure out an even worse system to replace it with.

A mandatory 10yrs in jail for anyone that has an accident while uninsured is the type of legislation that would actually address the issue of uninsured drivers.

all this DVLA stuff is just fiddling with matches while rome burns.

[Larry Dickman]

Shuvi Tupya said:

Larry Dickman said:

I can't believe that even a U.K. government would bring in new measures that are impossible to use.

Sure they would, and it will take a few years to figure out an even worse system to replace it with.

A mandatory 10yrs in jail for anyone that has an accident while uninsured is the type of legislation that would actually address the issue of uninsured drivers.

all this DVLA stuff is just fiddling with matches while rome burns.

I agree with every thing you say, but I think there will be an option to sorn for ved or insurance or both. If everyone has to cancel their ved because they need to declare sorn for no insurance the system can't work, there will have to be separate sorns.

[jeff m]

So the police now have no excuse with Travellers.

Just take the crusher to site and fire it up.
I don't usually watch reality TV, but could make an exception here

[Getragdogleg]

jeff m said:

So the police now have no excuse with Travellers.

Just take the crusher to site and fire it up.
I don't usually watch reality TV, but could make an exception here

Then what ?

you have a bunch of people at the side of the road with nothing. where do they go, what do they do ?

don't get me wrong, they annoy me too but at least the ones who live in laybys have a van or bus to live in and we are not funding a fking council house or paying for a flat for them.
Also you might be surprised at how many travelers have jobs and pay tax/insurance etc.

The ones who annoy me the most are the pikeys who are minted yet still pay sod all, crusties who live in an old bedford on the 303 are not such a problem.

[thinfourth2]

Getragdogleg said:

jeff m said:

So the police now have no excuse with Travellers.

Just take the crusher to site and fire it up.
I don't usually watch reality TV, but could make an exception here

Then what ?

you have a bunch of people at the side of the road with nothing. .

You'd take them out of the transits before crushing them

You bleeding heart liberal

[Getragdogleg]

thinfourth2 said:

Getragdogleg said:

jeff m said:

So the police now have no excuse with Travellers.

Just take the crusher to site and fire it up.
I don't usually watch reality TV, but could make an exception here

Then what ?

you have a bunch of people at the side of the road with nothing. .

You'd take them out of the transits before crushing them

You bleeding heart liberal

Which lot are we talking here, crusties who go to festivals and live in a bedford at the side of the A303 or fking pikies and their Dags and foighting ?

There is a difference, one lot get crushed the other not.

[jeff m]

Getragdogleg said:

jeff m said:

So the police now have no excuse with Travellers.

Just take the crusher to site and fire it up.
I don't usually watch reality TV, but could make an exception here

Then what ?

you have a bunch of people at the side of the road with nothing. where do they go, what do they do ?

don't get me wrong, they annoy me too but at least the ones who live in laybys have a van or bus to live in and we are not funding a fking council house or paying for a flat for them.
Also you might be surprised at how many travelers have jobs and pay tax/insurance etc.

The ones who annoy me the most are the pikeys who are minted yet still pay sod all, crusties who live in an old bedford on the 303 are not such a problem.

Well I was rather hoping the police would only crush the uninsured vehicles.
Which is the subject of the thread.

[Getragdogleg]

jeff m said:

Getragdogleg said:

jeff m said:

So the police now have no excuse with Travellers.

Just take the crusher to site and fire it up.
I don't usually watch reality TV, but could make an exception here

Then what ?

you have a bunch of people at the side of the road with nothing. where do they go, what do they do ?

don't get me wrong, they annoy me too but at least the ones who live in laybys have a van or bus to live in and we are not funding a fking council house or paying for a flat for them.
Also you might be surprised at how many travelers have jobs and pay tax/insurance etc.

The ones who annoy me the most are the pikeys who are minted yet still pay sod all, crusties who live in an old bedford on the 303 are not such a problem.

Well I was rather hoping the police would only crush the uninsured vehicles.
Which is the subject of the thread.

The subject of the thread is the continuous insurance or SORN of a vehicle and how bloody stupid it is. At the moment an uninsured off road parked crusty van is not breaking the law until its used on the highway.

[dandarez]

DVLA is a Government department.

Should tell you everything.

'All' it is interested in is making dosh through tax or fines or running a nice little earner like its greedy, so-called 'personalised' (which 'they' then tell you it is illegal to personalise) number-plate 'business'.

Anything else it does is most certainly not to help and assist the honest motorist. Hinder yes, help no.

Edited by dandarez on Sunday 9th January 20:20