China builds longest bridge
Discussion
Bing o said:
smifffymoto said:
Because they can and to show themselves as the only true superpower left in the world.
This shouldn't be a surprise. Despite their reputation for knocking out cheap knock-off copies, the Chinese did invent (amongst a long list) papermaking, gunpowder, printing and the compass.The Chinese also have the advantage of comparitively cheap labour and being bereft of NIMBYism.
Actually, you don't own the land in China.
It all belongs to the state.
If your house is in theway of a new high speed train line or whatever, then you get market price, plus a bit more for your house------ end of.
No discussion.
Your house, along with all the others the stste wants, WILL BE TORN DOWN.
Actually, many Chinese look forward to this, as it gives them a way out.
At the moment, there is just the standard train line into Yantai from Beijing, and in several locations, you can see the support pillars already being built.
Also you can see hundreds, of what was, houses, all demolished.
This is the difference between NIMBY in China, and UK.
Your back yard, is suddenly NO MORE.
V.
Fittster said:
Bing o said:
Fittster said:
jbi said:
in 50 years time China's GDP will be over 40 trillion dollars (est), I think the Chinese can spare $20-30 Billion and manpower is not an issue either.
Go and have a look at China's demographics, cheap labour is going to run out quite soon.Here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daqing_Field
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http://www.cnpc.com.cn/en/aboutcnpc/ourbusinesses/...
Lots of it.
V.
Bing o said:
uk_vette said:
Even if we had the money, would we have the expertise?
Yes. How many westerners do you see the Chinese hiring? In my experience of knowing people in civil engineering and O&G, a s
t load.As to the question, "can the west still build such things"....yes, we can. It happens the record for longest bridge that was broken by the Chinese one was one here in my state, New Orleans to be presice. It spans Lake Ponchatrain. Why didn't we build it longer? Because the Lake wasn't wider.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 4th July 17:53
uk_vette said:
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Here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daqing_Field
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http://www.cnpc.com.cn/en/aboutcnpc/ourbusinesses/...
Lots of it.
V.
Do you work for the CPC's forgeign outreach or something?Here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daqing_Field
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http://www.cnpc.com.cn/en/aboutcnpc/ourbusinesses/...
Lots of it.
V.
Sycophancy of staggering proportions!
What's the deal then? (serious question btw)
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
China has a st load of Oil - they are just getting to grips with retrieving it.....
Bohai Bay, Panyu, etc etc
At first USA / UK firms helped, knowledge, Equipment, Vessels and such now - surprise surprise, they are doing it for themselves.
Sorry, dunno why I posted that quote.t load of Oil - they are just getting to grips with retrieving it.....Bohai Bay, Panyu, etc etc
At first USA / UK firms helped, knowledge, Equipment, Vessels and such now - surprise surprise, they are doing it for themselves.
I just meant in general Vette's posts seem rather exultant about China.
Just wondered why really?
tinman0 said:
Because people are stupid and uneducated. The same people talk happily about the "US Empire" and how it "invades" other countries, yet quite happily turn a blind eye to the fate of Tibet and laud China for being strong.
The same people will quite happily mock the US for the death penalty but seem to forgive China's expedited death penalty system with it's mobile death vans.
What a load of utter bThe same people will quite happily mock the US for the death penalty but seem to forgive China's expedited death penalty system with it's mobile death vans.
ks.shalmaneser said:
What a load of utter bks.
Lots of peopple seem to think like this.ks.They squeal with glee at the prospect of the US being overthrown on the world stage to be replaced by a bunch of xenophobic, racist, imperialist Chinese.
The Chinese have always (throughout history) thought themselves to be the greatest race on Earth, above all others (who are essentially worthless barbarians). Nothing has changed.
Bing o said:
Well, I guess that's a great measure of how much the US has fked off a lot of people then through it's interfering yee haw politics and exported 'culture'.
I guess.ked off a lot of people then through it's interfering yee haw politics and exported 'culture'.Shame really; it was all going pretty well for a while.
Rise and fall of empires. As sure as night follows day.
Kwai Chang Caine said:
The Chinese have always (throughout history) thought themselves to be the greatest race on Earth, above all others (who are essentially worthless barbarians). Nothing has changed.
Indeed... check out a Chinese nationalist web forum sometime, it will melt your brain uk_vette said:
Mr_B said:
I wonder what the cost would have been for the same bridge being built in the UK ?
.We don't have enough zero's for that.
Even if we had the money, would we have the expertise?
V.
The UK has many of the top world infrastructure and construction companies and as mentioned many times here the reason we don't have such a bridge is because we don't have the need.
The cost for UK projects is generally related to the requirement to buy up the land and to make concessions such as tunnels, bridges and landscaping along the routes.
In the period 1950-1970 people were prepared to accept upheaval for significant improvements in infrastructure (the motorway network), this changed when the improvements became incremental. The fact that the UK doesn't have as many big infrastructure projects is due to the UK being an densely populated mature democracy not due to lack of talent or for that matter money (cross rail is still going ahead).
Edited by Talksteer on Tuesday 5th July 00:14
Talksteer said:
The fact that the UK doesn't have as many big infrastructure projects is due to the UK being an densely populated mature democracy not due to lack of talent or for that matter money (cross rail is still going ahead).
We still don't have motorway from Edinburgh to London...The Newcastle western bypass is still only 2 severely clogged lanes.
What was our solution? slap a 50mph speed limit on it... genius
Talksteer said:
uk_vette said:
Mr_B said:
I wonder what the cost would have been for the same bridge being built in the UK ?
.We don't have enough zero's for that.
Even if we had the money, would we have the expertise?
V.
The UK has many of the top world infrastructure and construction companies and as mentioned many times here the reason we don't have such a bridge is because we don't have the need.
The cost for UK projects is generally related to the requirement to buy up the land and to make concessions such as tunnels, bridges and landscaping along the routes.
In the period 1950-1970 people were prepared to accept upheaval for significant improvements in infrastructure (the motorway network), this changed when the improvements became incremental. The fact that the UK doesn't have as many big infrastructure projects is due to the UK being an densely populated mature democracy not due to lack of talent or for that matter money (cross rail is still going ahead).
We can't even build SMALL bridges anymore! However, give us an airfix kit and yeah, we'll assemble it.
Jog your memory... remember Cockermouth and the floods?
The Army stepped in to build a temporary walk bridge (in a week)... remember?
So what about a proper bridge to cross the 'river' to replace those that had collapsed?
A river, the width of a fag paper compared to the Chinese feat! Yeah we can do it.
Guess what, it took nearly half a year to complete the Workington one.
It cost £4.6m (funded by the British Government) for this new road bridge.
The town was split in half when the floods destroyed Northside Bridge and badly damaged nearby Calva Bridge.
Engineering firm Morgan Est 'built' (operative word, aka 'airfix') the 350-tonne, two-lane JANSEN bridge while motorists wanting to cross the River Derwent had to continue to make an 18-mile detour via Cockermouth.
And here's the rub!
Sections of the new 220ft JANSEN structure were transported from ...
why is it called 'Jansen'?
it came from...
HOLLAND!
Brunel is spinning.
jbi said:
Talksteer said:
The fact that the UK doesn't have as many big infrastructure projects is due to the UK being an densely populated mature democracy not due to lack of talent or for that matter money (cross rail is still going ahead).
We still don't have motorway from Edinburgh to London...The Newcastle western bypass is still only 2 severely clogged lanes.
What was our solution? slap a 50mph speed limit on it... genius
To upgrade the Western bypass through Gateshead have a road that is hemmed in on both sides by massive retaining walls, residential and commercial developments come right up to the side of the road. There are numerous interchanges and bridges crossing the road that would all need upgrading, as you go across the Tyne you have an elevated highway about a mile long and a bridge across the river. You have to replace all that at massive cost and at the same time reduce disruption to the road you already have. It could be suggested that as the western bypass is only 20 years old it should have been built the right size in the first place though.
In China you have no road to start with and no property rights you just demolish and drive a new road through.
As for the Motorway network we're only 8 miles short of connecting Newcastle to it
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