Estate where only one person has a job. Enjoy
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I've just listed 50000 jobs that dissapeared from a town in the last 40 years.
One town, and that was without really trying.
Bolton, Burnley, Blackburn, Halifax, Bradford, Huddersfield, Sheffield......and so on and so on.
Thousands and thousands and thousands of manufacturing jobs.
You want them all to work in macdonalds? You want them all to move to surrey?
This country has been unsustanable since the 70s. We don't make anything to sell outside out borders.
What we do export, technology and services doesn't employ anywhere near the number of people.
Even the bloody warehousing jobs have dwindled to next to nothing with drop shipping and continental hauliers.
I despair for those people I really do.
Yes I agree there will be some of them that have made welfare their career choice. But, if I'm honest with myself, I don't think some of them have a lot of options.
(And I think Maggie was the best prime minister we ever had before someone calls me a socialist)
One town, and that was without really trying.
Bolton, Burnley, Blackburn, Halifax, Bradford, Huddersfield, Sheffield......and so on and so on.
Thousands and thousands and thousands of manufacturing jobs.
You want them all to work in macdonalds? You want them all to move to surrey?
This country has been unsustanable since the 70s. We don't make anything to sell outside out borders.
What we do export, technology and services doesn't employ anywhere near the number of people.
Even the bloody warehousing jobs have dwindled to next to nothing with drop shipping and continental hauliers.
I despair for those people I really do.
Yes I agree there will be some of them that have made welfare their career choice. But, if I'm honest with myself, I don't think some of them have a lot of options.
(And I think Maggie was the best prime minister we ever had before someone calls me a socialist)
Kermit power said:
SplatSpeed said:
Kermit power said:
NoNeed said:
Kermit power said:
Superspeed, I'm willing to be persuaded...
What is your plan to deliver on your stated objectives?
By my reckoning of what you've said so far, we're looking for a plan which limits Chinese imports and replaces them with products built in Britain by British workers on much higher wages, but which won't actually push up the price of anything, as you don't want the ordinary worker to suffer.
This is the only advantage to the whole Man made global warming theory, That as people/industry tries to reduce it's carbon footprint goods will be made and sought locally.What is your plan to deliver on your stated objectives?
By my reckoning of what you've said so far, we're looking for a plan which limits Chinese imports and replaces them with products built in Britain by British workers on much higher wages, but which won't actually push up the price of anything, as you don't want the ordinary worker to suffer.
as most of the people here don't associate with the great unwashed they, incorrectly believe i am wrong.
anonymous said:
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There aren't enough jobs to do if they did.Sorry but the industry isnt there.
I used to think the same as you did. But its b
ks to be honest.The jobs arnt there. They could retrain yes. But we don't need that many plumbers and IT techs.
There are too many already.
Take the call centre. Its the kind of job you could do without that much nouse. For a while they were a source of employment for the "not that enabled".
What happened to those. "Hey, Indians speak English and work for 6 quid a day"
Do you think call centre workers were overpaid on 12k a year? Do you think British call centre workers were doing a bad job.
Or do you think some a
hole of an accountant in an office in central london decided to fk a load of people over and move the call centre to bangalore?It was a sad day when the direction of the future of this country moved away from engineers and became the realm of accountants.
cazzer said:
Seriously, anyone who lives within spitting distance of the M4 corridor just shut up because you haven't got a clue.
Even the ones who once lived within spitting distance of Oldham, but moved away because the whole area is a festering sthole?We get economic migrants from all over the world queuing up to live in this country, but the indigenous population won't get off their arses and move to where there is work. Communities which have lost their reason for existing - whether that was geological deposits or a climate conducive to textiles or proximity to an obsolete transport mechanism or whatever - need to find a new reason to exist or they need to dry up and blow away as people leave for places where they can participate in society. Permanent parasitism is no way for a community to live, it's morally corrosive.
anonymous said:
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I agree with both of you however think Cazzer is being more realistic.Being a thicko from a council estate who's only options where leaving school and working at Case/ICI/Cromptons or down't pit't
Guess what they ALL went I was made redundant TWICE.
I changed jobs twice then a third time got myself a job as a trainee and progressed.
Guess what I was made redundant again (actualy it was going down so I moved first but I would have been) so this time I moved my whole family accross the country and was made redundant again ,again took a different direction .......
wait for it, yep you guessed it that place shut as well all down to low cost geography again.
You want to know the kicker? All but one of those paces were making a profit. Two of them were far more efficient than companies who got teh work after us but they were paid pennies so it didnt matter.
So yet agan I am now in a completely different industry and guess what has just hit this industry Huge spending cuts by our customer... its not looking good
Yes Tonker you can get a job if you get off your arse, I am proof of that but not everyone can, there just are not that many jobs left. We can't all work in shops.
A country needs an industrial backbone to sustain it and its less intelligent people like me but every goverment for the last 30 years has done its best to f
k that up. be it electrical manufacturing or mass produced tilet roll holders. China has cought up with teh really high tech stuff we have left they don't even need us for that.anonymous said:
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So what do the people who havn't got the intelligence to do it then? the peple who worked in the mills and the potteries and mines and factories.... Yes intelligent but not intelligent enough to move do a profesional job like an designer and if they could how many designers do we need?what about the below averge intelligent amongst us?
There are just too many people who would not be able to do any of these skilled jobs you think they could move into. Or do you belive than anybody given the right training can be a rocket scientist because if you do I know plenty of people who would change that idea for you
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cazzer said:
Personally I wouldn't move to the southeast if you trebled my salary (which I have been offered and refused)
Which is fair enough - I could double my salary if I worked in London, but I'm not willing to do so. But if the other option was not earning an honest wage you were happy with doing something productive but rather wasting your life on the dole in a sink estate? Would you get on your bike, or would you sit there moaning about how it's all Thatcher's fault? Drop the level of benefits to below that of the minimum wage & I'm positive a lot of these people will suddenly start looking for work. And what's wrong with moving to where the work is? I'm from the South Coast yet I've lived and worked all over the UK, from NE Scotland, the Midlands and now in London. Every new job involved moving.
In my current job (in London) I work with another Southerner, one Londoner, two Jocks, a Geordie, an Aussie, a bloke from Manchester and a Sri-Lankan - all of us bar the Londoner moved for the job.
If a better job opened up in, say, Scotland the fact that another move would be involved wouldn't hold me back.
We don't owe the feckless a bloody thing.
In my current job (in London) I work with another Southerner, one Londoner, two Jocks, a Geordie, an Aussie, a bloke from Manchester and a Sri-Lankan - all of us bar the Londoner moved for the job.
If a better job opened up in, say, Scotland the fact that another move would be involved wouldn't hold me back.
We don't owe the feckless a bloody thing.
yeah we know that buts its a slightly different argument to what Cazzer is talking about I belive. You won't hear me dissagreeing about how the state perpetuates this problem with benefits.
What if the man in your example could do a tough job like work in a foundry that maybe does not need a huge amount of quals? he could maybe earn £15 an hour but the foundries are not there any more they are in India and China.
These jobs down the pit or in the steel mill have all but gone for various reasons. We can't all work in corner shops or in hairdressers that is correct. We all all can't move to London and sweep up.
And I for one could not go to coledge and learn to be a brain surgeon
If this job goes tits up I honestly do not know what I would do next. How many new industries can a thicko like me learn ffs.
What if the man in your example could do a tough job like work in a foundry that maybe does not need a huge amount of quals? he could maybe earn £15 an hour but the foundries are not there any more they are in India and China.
These jobs down the pit or in the steel mill have all but gone for various reasons. We can't all work in corner shops or in hairdressers that is correct. We all all can't move to London and sweep up.
And I for one could not go to coledge and learn to be a brain surgeon
If this job goes tits up I honestly do not know what I would do next. How many new industries can a thicko like me learn ffs.
otolith said:
cazzer said:
Personally I wouldn't move to the southeast if you trebled my salary (which I have been offered and refused)
Which is fair enough - I could double my salary if I worked in London, but I'm not willing to do so. But if the other option was not earning an honest wage you were happy with doing something productive but rather wasting your life on the dole in a sink estate? Would you get on your bike, or would you sit there moaning about how it's all Thatcher's fault? But I don't believe the majority of the people were talking about do either.
Some do definitely but I don't think it's the norm.
I think they have no hope and no future because they've been sold down the river by accountants to maximise profits for shareholders and f
k the workforce.I watched "inside out" tonight. They were going on about a new "lab on a chip". No longer will you have to wait for your blood test to come back from the lab. The doctor will be able to do it at the surgery.
Great. More unemployed lab staff then.
The point is that these places are being artificially sustained by welfare - if they really are in a permanent vegetative state, it's time we pulled the plug and encouraged people to leave. A community with no work has no purpose, there's no point wringing our hands and wailing that there is no hope for them to ever work while they sire another generation into the same stty situation. Better if new industry can be encouraged, but if it can't, they must go to it.
tty situation. Better if new industry can be encouraged, but if it can't, they must go to it.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff