Seriously do these imbeciles live in the real world.........

[550Hep]

So they want triple pay AND a day of in lieu for working a bank holiday......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-121536...

Utter utter c nts of the highest order...

[petemurphy]

surely thats treason and they should hang

[Jackleman]

I would think double pay or time off in lieu would be reasonable for most jobs, but surely when you start this kind of job you must realise that the tube service has to run on bank-holidays etc.

dheads!

[Fittster]

Hmm, how much were IT geeks asking for the work the millennium?

People will ask for what they can get away with, private or public sector.

[Rude-boy]

ASLEF - Giving Yokels a reason to feel sorry for Towies since 1880.

This lot and the FBU must surely see that they have done more harm to unions than Maggie (peace be upon her) could ever have dreamed of. They have no idea how to play the long game, and as a result their membership will lose horribly in the end, you only have to see how dramatically different the public view of fire-fighters is today compared with 10 years ago.

[550Hep]

Fittster said:

Hmm, how much were IT geeks asking for the work the millennium?

People will ask for what they can get away with, private or public sector.

Yes but they are not asking are they? They are demanding and then when they don't get their demands met refusing to work with no repercussions to their job for doing so, so hardly a fair comparison!

[Rude-boy]

550Hep said:

Fittster said:

Hmm, how much were IT geeks asking for the work the millennium?

People will ask for what they can get away with, private or public sector.

Yes but they are not asking are they? They are demanding and then when they don't get their demands met refusing to work with no repercussions to their job for doing so, so hardly a fair comparison!

And it's not like you can tell them to stuff it and call the next number in the yellow pages is it?

[Fittster]

550Hep said:

Fittster said:

Hmm, how much were IT geeks asking for the work the millennium?

People will ask for what they can get away with, private or public sector.

Yes but they are not asking are they? They are demanding and then when they don't get their demands met refusing to work with no repercussions to their job for doing so, so hardly a fair comparison!

Hmm, as I remember it lots of IT geeks were going to be unavailable to work News Years eve unless they got huge amounts of cash.

Without details of what the tube drivers contract say about working on Bank Holidays it's difficult to judge the merits of their case.

[550Hep]

Rude-boy said:

550Hep said:

Fittster said:

Hmm, how much were IT geeks asking for the work the millennium?

People will ask for what they can get away with, private or public sector.

Yes but they are not asking are they? They are demanding and then when they don't get their demands met refusing to work with no repercussions to their job for doing so, so hardly a fair comparison!

And it's not like you can tell them to stuff it and call the next number in the yellow pages is it?

Well in the real world you can demand what you like for your services, however if they are not worth it to your customer for any reasons your customer cares to have to be frank then you don't work and you don't get paid. Then your customer is free to find someone who can do the work for the sum they are willing to pay. fixed for appalling grammar & punctuation, as pointed out so kindly!

I care not which way anyone would wish to argue this, it is extortion plain and simple!

Edited by 550Hep on Monday 10th January 15:48

[dandarez]

550Hep said:

Rude-boy said:

550Hep said:

Fittster said:

Hmm, how much were IT geeks asking for the work the millennium?

People will ask for what they can get away with, private or public sector.

Yes but they are not asking are they? They are demanding and then when they don't get their demands met refusing to work with no repercussions to their job for doing so, so hardly a fair comparison!

And it's not like you can tell them to stuff it and call the next number in the yellow pages is it?

Well in the real world you can demand what you like for your services but if they are not worth it to your customer for any reasons your customer cares to have to be frank then you don't work and you don't get paid and your customer is free to find someone who can do the work for the sum they are willing to pay.

I care not which way anyone would wish to argue this it is extortion plain and simple!

Jeez! Use some punctuation, please.
That's not a sentence, that's a bloody story!

Standards matter. (well, they did once)

...or were you just trying to get Fittster to have an asthma attack?

Edited by dandarez on Monday 10th January 15:45

[550Hep]

dandarez said:

[
Jeez! Use some punctuation, please.
That's not a sentence, that's a bloody story!

That will teach me to edit on the run!

[lauda]

Fittster said:

Hmm, how much were IT geeks asking for the work the millennium?

People will ask for what they can get away with, private or public sector.

This is slightly different though. The IT guys were contractors and therefore are entitled to negotiate a market rate for their services. The tube drivers are employees and have already signed contracts that will stipulate their T&Cs.

Triple pay and a day off in lieu is a joke. You either have the triple (or double) pay in compensation for not having a day off or you have another day off in lieu. Both is just greedy. Especially when they're already paid £40k pa to sit on their arses and press a button every now and again.

[Tycho]

Fittster said:

550Hep said:

Fittster said:

Hmm, how much were IT geeks asking for the work the millennium?

People will ask for what they can get away with, private or public sector.

Yes but they are not asking are they? They are demanding and then when they don't get their demands met refusing to work with no repercussions to their job for doing so, so hardly a fair comparison!

Hmm, as I remember it lots of IT geeks were going to be unavailable to work News Years eve unless they got huge amounts of cash.

Without details of what the tube drivers contract say about working on Bank Holidays it's difficult to judge the merits of their case.

Unavailable for work outside their contracted hours/terms. The tube dheads are rostered on shifts and know that they are contracted to work bank holidays etc and get paid shift allowances to compensate so this is extortion and not like the IT example you gave.

[sato]

From second to last paragraph
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jan/10/royal-wed...
they get 7 weeks holiday a year already???

[CoopR]

Fittster said:

Hmm, how much were IT geeks asking for the work the millennium?

People will ask for what they can get away with, private or public sector.

For every staff worker I know it was business as usual.

[neilski]

But surely Wills & Kate can stretch to a classic car or horse drawn carriage. It is their big day after all.

[Munter]

lauda said:

Fittster said:

Hmm, how much were IT geeks asking for the work the millennium?

People will ask for what they can get away with, private or public sector.

This is slightly different though. The IT guys were contractors and therefore are entitled to negotiate a market rate for their services. The tube drivers are employees and have already signed contracts that will stipulate their T&Cs.

Triple pay and a day off in lieu is a joke. You either have the triple (or double) pay in compensation for not having a day off or you have another day off in lieu. Both is just greedy. Especially when they're already paid £40k pa to sit on their arses and press a button every now and again.

Very different situations I agree. If the tube drivers go on strike LU are not allowed to employ extra staff to cover for them. If a particular IT contractor didn't want to work the millennium the company was allowed to employ someone else to fill his shoes.

I'm sure plenty of people could be trained to drive a train for the day to replace the striking staff, but it's against the law. I've said it before. If staff go on strike over anything but health and safety, they should be able to be replaced for someone who's willing to do the job. If nobody wants the job then the company will comply with the union requests. If someone does want the job then the employees are likely being unreasonable and will get replaced.

[CobolMan]

CoopR said:

Fittster said:

Hmm, how much were IT geeks asking for the work the millennium?

People will ask for what they can get away with, private or public sector.

For every staff worker I know it was business as usual.

Same here, if you got called out it was fairly rewarding but the standby rates weren't much different to a normal evening.

[Fittster]

CoopR said:

Fittster said:

Hmm, how much were IT geeks asking for the work the millennium?

People will ask for what they can get away with, private or public sector.

For every staff worker I know it was business as usual.

Certainly wasn't like that for staff working for a big consultancy work for FTSE firms.

[CobolMan]

Fittster said:

CoopR said:

Fittster said:

Hmm, how much were IT geeks asking for the work the millennium?

People will ask for what they can get away with, private or public sector.

For every staff worker I know it was business as usual.

Certainly wasn't like that for staff working for a big consultancy work for FTSE firms.

The c word explains it FIttster - I worked for a FTSE 100 co at the time and we saw a fraction of what these 'experienced' consultancy types were claiming to earn. Perhaps they were too busy bragging about their earnings to spot a millennium bug in code they put live in 1999 - we only found out about it in 2009.