Seriously do these imbeciles live in the real world.........
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Tonker, the issue of official bank holidays and the actual day, is something that matters if you work shifts and are in on boxing day Sunday at Sunday time when your colleague comes in on the Monday and gets bank holiday loading, would it harm to treat all 4 days as bank holidays as far as pay?
Fittster said:
Read the whole thread? The extra bank holiday in 2011 isn't covered by the T&Cs.
I've read the thread, I've also read the news articles, they all seem to think that the strike is about bank holiday pay rates and not specific bank holidaysThis should help your understanding a little
bbc article said:
London Underground (LU) has accused the union of tearing up long-standing agreements on pay and annual leave.
Aslef has demanded triple pay and a day off in lieu for working on bank holidays.
Aslef has demanded triple pay and a day off in lieu for working on bank holidays.
lauda said:
This is slightly different though. The IT guys were contractors and therefore are entitled to negotiate a market rate for their services. The tube drivers are employees and have already signed contracts that will stipulate their T&Cs.
I worked in the public sector for 30 years. My terms and conditions were changed around every five years without negotiation. Despite 'binding' terms, advised by public enquiries, the government decided that it didn't want to play and arbitrarily changed them at a whim.There wasn't even apologies or reasons given. I lost major pension entitlements, despite a public enquiry saying that my contributions were reasonable. The reasons given were made up and demonstrably false yet the government ignored such protests.
So it is a case of sauce for the goose.
Engineer1 said:
GarryA said:
On Network Rail you get time and a half or you have the day off.
Nice to see policy is fixed for an extra note EXTRA bank holiday that the government decided to declare, if your contract says 38 days holiday a year including bank holidays you may be pissed off if the extra day comes out of your 38 days.Plus, as a company that offers scheduled maintenance visits, we have to work extra hard in an already bank-holiday-festooned fortnight. But that's business.
Edited by Johnnytheboy on Tuesday 11th January 10:10
I think many people are missing the point here.
The Union leaders are paid to a job by their members and they do this job extremely well. These people are good at what they do and earn every penny that they are paid. In a country that seems to full of slackers and incompetants they should be applauded as a beacon to everyone as to how to do your job.
The actual problem lies with the weak and stupid little blood sucking pansies who have the audacity to sit down in front of these people and be outclassed at every turn.
Until truly competent people are put up infront of the Unions to oppose them and when required, break them, then nothing will change.
Don't blame the strong, blame the weak.
I suspect that if a proper case were put to the London commuter that breaking the rail unions was imperative to delivering a competant and well run, efficient service then the majority would be willing to put up with the short/medium term carnage.
Sadly, the only strong people in this equation are the union leaders and the customer and until we, the customer, have professional and competant representation we are 100% f
ked and will continue to pay more and more for a group of people to do less and less.
The Union leaders are paid to a job by their members and they do this job extremely well. These people are good at what they do and earn every penny that they are paid. In a country that seems to full of slackers and incompetants they should be applauded as a beacon to everyone as to how to do your job.
The actual problem lies with the weak and stupid little blood sucking pansies who have the audacity to sit down in front of these people and be outclassed at every turn.
Until truly competent people are put up infront of the Unions to oppose them and when required, break them, then nothing will change.
Don't blame the strong, blame the weak.
I suspect that if a proper case were put to the London commuter that breaking the rail unions was imperative to delivering a competant and well run, efficient service then the majority would be willing to put up with the short/medium term carnage.
Sadly, the only strong people in this equation are the union leaders and the customer and until we, the customer, have professional and competant representation we are 100% f
ked and will continue to pay more and more for a group of people to do less and less.paulrockliffe said:
Good to hear Evan Davis take Len McCluskey to pieces on Radio 4 this morning......
I have to give Evan his due. He really did a good job on McCluskey, reducing him to " well, we've got different figures", when he was presented with facts to compare with his bluster.Kermit power said:
In this particular instance, I'd have to say I don't blame the tube drivers at all.
If the government decided at random to give everyone an extra day's holiday over something as completely trivial as a royal wedding, and my employer then expected me to work it, I'd be inclined to tell them where to shove it too.
Either this wedding is an important event of national celebration or it isn't. If it is, then why shouldn't tube drivers have the day off just like everyone else, and if it isn't, why the fk has everyone else got the day off?
Try reading the fIf the government decided at random to give everyone an extra day's holiday over something as completely trivial as a royal wedding, and my employer then expected me to work it, I'd be inclined to tell them where to shove it too.
Either this wedding is an important event of national celebration or it isn't. If it is, then why shouldn't tube drivers have the day off just like everyone else, and if it isn't, why the f
k has everyone else got the day off?king story.The Union is pushing for triple time AND a day in lieu for EVERY Bank Holiday.
The date of the Royal Wedding is their proposed strike day, it's the only relevance to the story.
It has nothing to do with the Royal Wedding not being classed as a Bank Holiday.
Edited by shakotan on Tuesday 11th January 10:50
shakotan said:
Try reading the fking story.
The Union is pushing for triple time AND a day in lieu for EVERY Bank Holiday.
The date of the Royal Wedding is their proposed strike day, it's the only relevance to the story.
It has nothing to do with the Royal Wedding not being classed as a Bank Holiday.
And as somebody else has already pointed out, its the union's opening position. Expect a haggle to take placeking story.The Union is pushing for triple time AND a day in lieu for EVERY Bank Holiday.
The date of the Royal Wedding is their proposed strike day, it's the only relevance to the story.
It has nothing to do with the Royal Wedding not being classed as a Bank Holiday.
anonymous said:
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Indeed. Then the govt throw an additional bank holiday into the mix so the previous deal doesn't include the Royal Wedding day off. If the deal runs through 2012 you would hope they have included the Jubilee holidays (moving 28th May day off to 4th June and adding 5th June as extra BH).
I bet they settle at double time, or perhaps time and a half and day in lieu or similiar. Most of the public would be supportive of that level of renumeration for BH working.
AndrewW-G said:
tubbystu said:
Indeed. Then the govt throw an additional bank holiday into the mix
Is there a specific number of BH's in their contract? I'd suggest not, as there seems to be no mention in the press, just that they want a pay increase for ALL bank holidays
It's also worth mentioning that the current paydeal runs out this april so i imagine that this is an attempt to start negotitions early rather than have them drag out for months on end.
Derek Smith said:
lauda said:
This is slightly different though. The IT guys were contractors and therefore are entitled to negotiate a market rate for their services. The tube drivers are employees and have already signed contracts that will stipulate their T&Cs.
I worked in the public sector for 30 years. My terms and conditions were changed around every five years without negotiation. Despite 'binding' terms, advised by public enquiries, the government decided that it didn't want to play and arbitrarily changed them at a whim.There wasn't even apologies or reasons given. I lost major pension entitlements, despite a public enquiry saying that my contributions were reasonable. The reasons given were made up and demonstrably false yet the government ignored such protests.
So it is a case of sauce for the goose.
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