Guy giving Bob Diamond a hard time on SKY now

[Soovy]

cardigankid said:

Soovy said:

Typical chip on shoulder nonsense.

Pathetic.

Do you think they are going to let you in on it because you lick their arses?

I left Barclays four years ago, because I saw this coming.

[steve singh]

Soovy said:

cardigankid said:

Soovy said:

Typical chip on shoulder nonsense.

Pathetic.

Do you think they are going to let you in on it because you lick their arses?

I left Barclays four years ago, because I saw this coming.

Which area of Barclays did you work in? Was it the legal team as I thought you were a solicitor or something?

[steve singh]

Soovy said:

cardigankid said:

Soovy said:

Typical chip on shoulder nonsense.

Pathetic.

Do you think they are going to let you in on it because you lick their arses?

I left Barclays four years ago, because I saw this coming.

Why would you leave? Would your job been at risk?

[Soovy]

steve singh said:

Soovy said:

cardigankid said:

Soovy said:

Typical chip on shoulder nonsense.

Pathetic.

Do you think they are going to let you in on it because you lick their arses?

I left Barclays four years ago, because I saw this coming.

Better offer came up, so I took it.


Why would you leave? Would your job been at risk?

[tonym911]

cardigankid said:

munky said:

cardigankid said:

steve singh said:

It seems to me you're not anti-banking but anti-capitalist - you resent an organisation providing a service at a cost which generates profit.

There is nothing capitalist about a cartel, which the banks are, and one which is artificially funded by the taxpayer, who is not allowed to see what they are doing. This is more like Soviet Russia only the oligarchs are the guys running the Banks. It is a pathetic joke. In a fair society they would all be charged with fraud. As for our Tory politicians they are all in it up to their corrupt pig like necks. As Private Eye misquoted David Cameron 'Some of my best friends aren't bankers'. This lot are never going to sort themselves out.

Anyway I believe that the entire system is now so discredited that serious civil unrest is a matter of time. This isn't the old Great Britain and why should any of us owe any loyalty to a fraudulent conspiracy. There are a lot of people out there who have no stake in this country any more so why should we not smash the existing establishment up in an effort to obtain something better and fairer?

Edited by cardigankid on Wednesday 12th January 11:43

Where's your proof of fraud and cartels or are these unsubstantiated allegations? Both are illegal and should be dealt with as such if it were true. What form did this fraud take? Did you report it to the police?

Now you are being disingenuous. As with most crime at this level, the trick is not to be caught. Do you seriously think that because they have not been prosecuted they are not up to it. Do you seriously think that the police are going to pay any attention? We all know I think that the police are low IQ thugs who do what the politicians tell them to. The crime as usual is being caught. Like MP's expenses, which went on for years and still goes on, it will all come out one day, perhaps after the next crash, and "lessons will have to be learned."

Absolutely agree. This stuff about 'prove your allegations or they can't be happening' winds me up for exactly the reasons CardiganKid mentions. Clearly us lot out here in the real world are in no position to uncover what's going on behind closed bank doors. This 'show me, or it doesn't exist' line of argument is about as specious as the one that goes 'life elsewhere in the universe simply doesn't exist until you can show me it does' - a ludicrous position I've seen elsewhere on PH fora.

[munky]

tonym911 said:

cardigankid said:

munky said:

cardigankid said:

steve singh said:

It seems to me you're not anti-banking but anti-capitalist - you resent an organisation providing a service at a cost which generates profit.

There is nothing capitalist about a cartel, which the banks are, and one which is artificially funded by the taxpayer, who is not allowed to see what they are doing. This is more like Soviet Russia only the oligarchs are the guys running the Banks. It is a pathetic joke. In a fair society they would all be charged with fraud. As for our Tory politicians they are all in it up to their corrupt pig like necks. As Private Eye misquoted David Cameron 'Some of my best friends aren't bankers'. This lot are never going to sort themselves out.

Anyway I believe that the entire system is now so discredited that serious civil unrest is a matter of time. This isn't the old Great Britain and why should any of us owe any loyalty to a fraudulent conspiracy. There are a lot of people out there who have no stake in this country any more so why should we not smash the existing establishment up in an effort to obtain something better and fairer?

Edited by cardigankid on Wednesday 12th January 11:43

Where's your proof of fraud and cartels or are these unsubstantiated allegations? Both are illegal and should be dealt with as such if it were true. What form did this fraud take? Did you report it to the police?

Now you are being disingenuous. As with most crime at this level, the trick is not to be caught. Do you seriously think that because they have not been prosecuted they are not up to it. Do you seriously think that the police are going to pay any attention? We all know I think that the police are low IQ thugs who do what the politicians tell them to. The crime as usual is being caught. Like MP's expenses, which went on for years and still goes on, it will all come out one day, perhaps after the next crash, and "lessons will have to be learned."

Absolutely agree. This stuff about 'prove your allegations or they can't be happening' winds me up for exactly the reasons CardiganKid mentions. Clearly us lot out here in the real world are in no position to uncover what's going on behind closed bank doors. This 'show me, or it doesn't exist' line of argument is about as specious as the one that goes 'life elsewhere in the universe simply doesn't exist until you can show me it does' - a ludicrous position I've seen elsewhere on PH fora.

So, the alternative is that anyone can say anything they want, about anyone, unsubstantiated? Why then do we have libel laws?

So, I'll make some theoretical statement "all second hand car dealers are criminals" and "all estate agents are liars" which of course you can't argue with given your above opinion.

[cardigankid]

The same libel laws every shyster in history has tried to hide behind, and Max 'SS sadomachistic orgy' Mosley is currently trying to have extended.

Hope you got the message guys!

Edited by cardigankid on Wednesday 12th January 13:05

[cardigankid]

Soovy said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

turbobloke said:

Any existing or potential employee has a duty to themselves to become and remain as employable as possible. There is no right to a job regardless of leftist ideological moonshine. Those with the most preparation, most effort, most flexibility (and so on) will get the jobs. If somebody isn't getting anywhere with job hunting, they should look to themselves not the outside world. They can influence their own chances whereas they can hardly influence the external context if at all.

Picture this:

100 people looking for a job. 1 job available. The star applicant gets the job.

What do you have in mind for the other 99?

A less successful career, probably. Shucks. That's life.

More likely no job at all. How long does that go on? For 99% of the population, the UK is finished. That's only ok until they decide not to put up with it any more. A bit more inflation and some higher food prices should do it, I reckon.

Edited by cardigankid on Wednesday 12th January 13:13

[munky]

cardigankid said:

The same libel laws every shyster in history has tried to hide behind, and Max 'SS sadomachistic orgy' Mosley is currently trying to have extended.

Indeed, but making unsubstantiated claims discredits the person and any real argument they may have. You may as well say that the moon landings were filmed in a studio, or that the world trade centre was demolished by Larry Silverstein / the US Govt / aliens.

[cardigankid]

Then noone is allowed to criticise or make any claims at all. Why not have a police state, then we can fight it out? It's going to happen. This country is really little better than Zimbabwe only we don't realise it yet.

Edited by cardigankid on Wednesday 12th January 13:20

[Soovy]

cardigankid said:

Soovy said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

turbobloke said:

Any existing or potential employee has a duty to themselves to become and remain as employable as possible. There is no right to a job regardless of leftist ideological moonshine. Those with the most preparation, most effort, most flexibility (and so on) will get the jobs. If somebody isn't getting anywhere with job hunting, they should look to themselves not the outside world. They can influence their own chances whereas they can hardly influence the external context if at all.

Picture this:

100 people looking for a job. 1 job available. The star applicant gets the job.

What do you have in mind for the other 99?

A less successful career, probably. Shucks. That's life.

More likely no job at all. How long does that go on? For 99% of the population, the UK is finished. That's only ok until they decide not to put up with it any more. A bit more inflation and some higher food prices should do it, I reckon.

Edited by cardigankid on Wednesday 12th January 13:13

Right on.

[tonym911]

munky said:

tonym911 said:

cardigankid said:

munky said:

cardigankid said:

steve singh said:

It seems to me you're not anti-banking but anti-capitalist - you resent an organisation providing a service at a cost which generates profit.

There is nothing capitalist about a cartel, which the banks are, and one which is artificially funded by the taxpayer, who is not allowed to see what they are doing. This is more like Soviet Russia only the oligarchs are the guys running the Banks. It is a pathetic joke. In a fair society they would all be charged with fraud. As for our Tory politicians they are all in it up to their corrupt pig like necks. As Private Eye misquoted David Cameron 'Some of my best friends aren't bankers'. This lot are never going to sort themselves out.

Anyway I believe that the entire system is now so discredited that serious civil unrest is a matter of time. This isn't the old Great Britain and why should any of us owe any loyalty to a fraudulent conspiracy. There are a lot of people out there who have no stake in this country any more so why should we not smash the existing establishment up in an effort to obtain something better and fairer?

Edited by cardigankid on Wednesday 12th January 11:43

Where's your proof of fraud and cartels or are these unsubstantiated allegations? Both are illegal and should be dealt with as such if it were true. What form did this fraud take? Did you report it to the police?

Now you are being disingenuous. As with most crime at this level, the trick is not to be caught. Do you seriously think that because they have not been prosecuted they are not up to it. Do you seriously think that the police are going to pay any attention? We all know I think that the police are low IQ thugs who do what the politicians tell them to. The crime as usual is being caught. Like MP's expenses, which went on for years and still goes on, it will all come out one day, perhaps after the next crash, and "lessons will have to be learned."

Absolutely agree. This stuff about 'prove your allegations or they can't be happening' winds me up for exactly the reasons CardiganKid mentions. Clearly us lot out here in the real world are in no position to uncover what's going on behind closed bank doors. This 'show me, or it doesn't exist' line of argument is about as specious as the one that goes 'life elsewhere in the universe simply doesn't exist until you can show me it does' - a ludicrous position I've seen elsewhere on PH fora.

So, the alternative is that anyone can say anything they want, about anyone, unsubstantiated? Why then do we have libel laws?

So, I'll make some theoretical statement "all second hand car dealers are criminals" and "all estate agents are liars" which of course you can't argue with given your above opinion.

Off target, as I'm sure you know. SOME second hand car dealers ARE criminals. SOME estate agents ARE liars. SOME bankers HAVE screwed society. This is undeniable. Underlying that is the fact that you only need SOME fools/criminals/egotists/greedy buggers to screw EVERYTHING. You don't need them ALL to be bent. Just a few will do, as long as they are at the Diamond level. His plea for public rehabilitation is IMO breathtaking in its arrogance.

[mattviatura]

It appears impossible to discuss the issue reasonably.

The thread has descended to playground level, predictable really.

[munky]

cardigankid said:

And, Munky, if you want a classic example of how 'top financiers' extort money from the rest of us you should read Duncan Bannatyne's book which spells the methodology out in some detail.

Bloke has a disagreement with an Irish bank over interest rates after happily borrowing £150m from them and slates them off in a book - must be true and unbiased then

I doubt Duncan Bannatyne has ever dealt with "top financiers" - his companies are too small fry. I ceratinly wouldn't describe the Irish bank he deals with as "top financiers".

So, every business extorts money from all their customers. Damn that price-fixing fraudulent milkman!

[cardigankid]

You're reading the wrong bit of the book.

My point is that when it is all brought out into the open air, delivering milk is probably a more skilful job. So why do we the taxpayer pay them massive bonusses?

Edited by cardigankid on Wednesday 12th January 13:41

[tonym911]

mattviatura said:

It appears impossible to discuss the issue reasonably.

The thread has descended to playground level, predictable really.

But the whole problem has arisen as a result of one of Mankind's most basic urges – greed. Why try to dignify it with some high-blown theory? It's all down to greed, simple as. It doesn't get much lower than that. For that reason it seems entirely appropriate to discuss it at what some may consider to be a 'playground' level.

[tonym911]

munky said:

cardigankid said:

And, Munky, if you want a classic example of how 'top financiers' extort money from the rest of us you should read Duncan Bannatyne's book which spells the methodology out in some detail.

Bloke has a disagreement with an Irish bank over interest rates after happily borrowing £150m from them and slates them off in a book - must be true and unbiased then

I doubt Duncan Bannatyne has ever dealt with "top financiers" - his companies are too small fry. I ceratinly wouldn't describe the Irish bank he deals with as "top financiers".

So, every business extorts money from all their customers. Damn that price-fixing fraudulent milkman!

You appear to have an automatic sweeping statement/generalisation mode.

[Soovy]

tonym911 said:

mattviatura said:

It appears impossible to discuss the issue reasonably.

The thread has descended to playground level, predictable really.

But the whole problem has arisen as a result of one of Mankind's most basic urges – greed. Why try to dignify it with some high-blown theory? It's all down to greed, simple as. It doesn't get much lower than that. For that reason it seems entirely appropriate to discuss it at what some may consider to be a 'playground' level.

Yes, the greed of those who borrowed more than they could pay back, to finance their RR Sports and flat screen telly, and trip to Disneyworld for Chardonnay.

[tonym911]

Soovy said:

tonym911 said:

mattviatura said:

It appears impossible to discuss the issue reasonably.

The thread has descended to playground level, predictable really.

But the whole problem has arisen as a result of one of Mankind's most basic urges – greed. Why try to dignify it with some high-blown theory? It's all down to greed, simple as. It doesn't get much lower than that. For that reason it seems entirely appropriate to discuss it at what some may consider to be a 'playground' level.

Yes, the greed of those who borrowed more than they could pay back, to finance their RR Sports and flat screen telly, and trip to Disneyworld for Chardonnay.

Were they forced to borrow? Or is it perhaps fairer to say that the borrowing conditions were made irresistible?

[Soovy]

tonym911 said:

Soovy said:

tonym911 said:

mattviatura said:

It appears impossible to discuss the issue reasonably.

The thread has descended to playground level, predictable really.

But the whole problem has arisen as a result of one of Mankind's most basic urges – greed. Why try to dignify it with some high-blown theory? It's all down to greed, simple as. It doesn't get much lower than that. For that reason it seems entirely appropriate to discuss it at what some may consider to be a 'playground' level.

Yes, the greed of those who borrowed more than they could pay back, to finance their RR Sports and flat screen telly, and trip to Disneyworld for Chardonnay.

Were they forced to borrow? Or is it perhaps fairer to say that the borrowing conditions were made irresistible?

"Oh no, I can't resist........."


Ridiculous. As stupid as a fat person wanting compensation from McDonalds because their delicious cheeseburgers were too cheap.