Fire Extingusher chucker from the student demos...
Discussion
odyssey2200 said:
I think that , perhaps the sentence has been for political purposes as much as anything else.
However, what pisses me off more is that people who commit far worse crimes get way less punishment.
Where is the consistency?
The 'grading' of crimes is always difficult, however what he did could have been fatal, or crippling so has to be looked on severely.However, what pisses me off more is that people who commit far worse crimes get way less punishment.
Where is the consistency?
It's not as if he was on the roof, chucked the extinguisher at someone also on the roof and missed and it went over the edge by accident.
He knew fine well that there were people underneath, it is only by chance that he wasn't looking at murder.
I'm afraid I don't go for this 'caught up in the moment s
te', most normal citizens would never think of doing what he did, so all the 'good decent chap crap' does nothing for me, as most people are good and decent and would never thing of dropping a fire extinguisher 7 stories onto a crowd.Do the crime, do the time, also, how much of his 'confession' was down to mummy and not him, it looks as if their is lots of PR speak in his statement.
munroman said:
odyssey2200 said:
I think that , perhaps the sentence has been for political purposes as much as anything else.
However, what pisses me off more is that people who commit far worse crimes get way less punishment.
Where is the consistency?
The 'grading' of crimes is always difficult, however what he did could have been fatal, or crippling so has to be looked on severely.However, what pisses me off more is that people who commit far worse crimes get way less punishment.
Where is the consistency?
It's not as if he was on the roof, chucked the extinguisher at someone also on the roof and missed and it went over the edge by accident.
He knew fine well that there were people underneath, it is only by chance that he wasn't looking at murder.
I'm afraid I don't go for this 'caught up in the moment s
te', most normal citizens would never think of doing what he did, so all the 'good decent chap crap' does nothing for me, as most people are good and decent and would never thing of dropping a fire extinguisher 7 stories onto a crowd.Do the crime, do the time, also, how much of his 'confession' was down to mummy and not him, it looks as if their is lots of PR speak in his statement.
My concern is that others don't get time for actually harming people.
odyssey2200 said:
munroman said:
odyssey2200 said:
I think that , perhaps the sentence has been for political purposes as much as anything else.
However, what pisses me off more is that people who commit far worse crimes get way less punishment.
Where is the consistency?
The 'grading' of crimes is always difficult, however what he did could have been fatal, or crippling so has to be looked on severely.However, what pisses me off more is that people who commit far worse crimes get way less punishment.
Where is the consistency?
It's not as if he was on the roof, chucked the extinguisher at someone also on the roof and missed and it went over the edge by accident.
He knew fine well that there were people underneath, it is only by chance that he wasn't looking at murder.
I'm afraid I don't go for this 'caught up in the moment s
te', most normal citizens would never think of doing what he did, so all the 'good decent chap crap' does nothing for me, as most people are good and decent and would never thing of dropping a fire extinguisher 7 stories onto a crowd.Do the crime, do the time, also, how much of his 'confession' was down to mummy and not him, it looks as if their is lots of PR speak in his statement.
My concern is that others don't get time for actually harming people.
His mother Tania Garwood said:
"He is a loving, caring, gentle man. "
No he isnt. It was proven in court that he wasnt.Accept it woman, your son isnt a nice boy. In fact he is a criminal. Its even there on video. Where would she draw the line? Would she still be saying that if he put someone in a wheelchair for life? If he murdered someone? If he raped someone?
singlecoil said:
oyster said:
I think the problem people have (as I do) is that here is a previously law-abiding person from a normal family who made one very stupid mistake and is paying a very high price. OK fine.
But meanwhile there are tens of thousands of yobs who make life a misery for millions of people in this country and they don't even get caught. When they do they don't get punished.
So I think in that context, it's not that he's been severely punished for his crime, but that his sentance should be more regularly passed out to other more severe criminals - those with intent on hurting people daily.
Well said.But meanwhile there are tens of thousands of yobs who make life a misery for millions of people in this country and they don't even get caught. When they do they don't get punished.
So I think in that context, it's not that he's been severely punished for his crime, but that his sentance should be more regularly passed out to other more severe criminals - those with intent on hurting people daily.
SplatSpeed said:
still less than the guy no insurance no lisence that killed someone today
only got a year, should have been 3 - 5
I think the sentence was about right, he did not actually kill anyone so your comparison is invalid.only got a year, should have been 3 - 5
More sobering is the thought that had he not 'fessed up, he probably would have got away with it. This is how the real criminals get away with murder - but he was am amateur, blabbed and got done.
Globs said:
SplatSpeed said:
still less than the guy no insurance no lisence that killed someone today
only got a year, should have been 3 - 5
I think the sentence was about right, he did not actually kill anyone so your comparison is invalid.only got a year, should have been 3 - 5
More sobering is the thought that had he not 'fessed up, he probably would have got away with it. This is how the real criminals get away with murder - but he was am amateur, blabbed and got done.
2. the driver didn't have a lisence
killed in my book
I do feel for him. His punishment is likely to be used to "Set an example" to others.
He was stupid, no doubt, but it probably was only for a few seconds, getting caught up in the madness.
Don't get me wrong, he deserves to be punished for what he did, but it's also a shame that 1 day of madness has potentially ruined his life.
He was stupid, no doubt, but it probably was only for a few seconds, getting caught up in the madness.
Don't get me wrong, he deserves to be punished for what he did, but it's also a shame that 1 day of madness has potentially ruined his life.
pokethepope said:
Somewhatfoolish said:
Mad Dave said:
It's a shame that someone who appears to be from a very good background has made such poor choices and ruined his future prospects. His mother's attitude is laudable and thoroughly decent and is a refreshing change from the usual "my Wayne ain't done fack all innit". Hopefully he's learned a valuable lesson and will continue to learn that lesson and will make better choices in the future.
It hasn't ruined his life, just put it on hiatus for a few years.In less than a week my conviction for student stupidity is officially spent - taught me a valuable lesson - don't get caught
Somewhatfoolish said:
pokethepope said:
Somewhatfoolish said:
Mad Dave said:
It's a shame that someone who appears to be from a very good background has made such poor choices and ruined his future prospects. His mother's attitude is laudable and thoroughly decent and is a refreshing change from the usual "my Wayne ain't done fack all innit". Hopefully he's learned a valuable lesson and will continue to learn that lesson and will make better choices in the future.
It hasn't ruined his life, just put it on hiatus for a few years.In less than a week my conviction for student stupidity is officially spent - taught me a valuable lesson - don't get caught
johnfm said:
Anybody know what happened to Charlie Gilmore?
He was photographed trying to set a fire outside the doors of the Treasury, no?
Has he been charged?
Looks like attempted aggravated arson in contravention of the Criminal Damage Act 1971. THe little tt should be jailed for that.
He was photographed trying to set a fire outside the doors of the Treasury, no?
Has he been charged?
Looks like attempted aggravated arson in contravention of the Criminal Damage Act 1971. THe little t
t should be jailed for that.
It will be pleaded down to littering I think, 60 quid fine and 15 quid victim theft...Frankeh said:
What a load of horsest..
He gets 2 years, but the person who stamped on my friends head and almost killed him got 4 weeks on tag and a £100 fine.
He was 17 though, as if that makes fk all difference in real life.
I bet the guy who tried to kill your friend denied it all the way down the line too.t.. He gets 2 years, but the person who stamped on my friends head and almost killed him got 4 weeks on tag and a £100 fine.
He was 17 though, as if that makes f
k all difference in real life. The legal system is best for criminals, idiots who publically riot and then 'fess up later will always have harder sentences.
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