Bi election result
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I don't really understand all the fuss.
As I understand it Oldham is Labour, simple as that. The Tories didn't have it before, it was very unlikely they were going to win it.
Would there be the same coverage if an election was called tomorrow in Kingston Upon Thames and Labour didn't seize it? Exactly.
As I understand it Oldham is Labour, simple as that. The Tories didn't have it before, it was very unlikely they were going to win it.
Would there be the same coverage if an election was called tomorrow in Kingston Upon Thames and Labour didn't seize it? Exactly.
cymtriks said:
thinfourth2 said:
The reason I'm not disappointed is the blue ties have seem to of settled into the classic let's not do anything radical middle ground of uselessness.
We need a big step change not a fiddle with the edges.
This.We need a big step change not a fiddle with the edges.
Just look at those very big cuts, we had the scare stories, the "we're all in it together" speach, the Office of Budget Responsibility and...
income 550 Billion
borrowing 150 billion
saving 80 billion but phased in over four years.
Just imagine that as a person earning 550 pounds a week but spending 700 pounds a week. He decides to cut back as he's gone circa 4800 into the red over the last few months. He comes up with a cunning plan to get out of the red. He decides to cut his extra spending on his credit card to only 130 a week for, err... four weeks, to show how serious he is about his money problems.
Would you lend money to this person?
In real terms we add 150 Billion each year to an existing debt of around 4.8 TRILLION.
The mind boggles.
And yes, it's Labours fecking fault. They've increased the debt by around 4.45 TRILLION between '97 and '10.
I'm struggling to think what spending that amount of money has actually achieved? Gold bog seats for all households?
Don said:
What's Oldham's history? Was it a traditional Labour seat won back or a real win?
In any government's tenure this is a time of unpopularity...but it will be very interesting to see what the next general election brings. I doubt very much there will be a coalition after it...
I think that Oldham was the first seat that Winston Churchill won. 1902 maybe? Different boundaries of course. Anyway, it hardly matters which bunch of patronising Oxbridge toffs wins as the country is done for anyway.In any government's tenure this is a time of unpopularity...but it will be very interesting to see what the next general election brings. I doubt very much there will be a coalition after it...
Zaxxon said:
Typical, it's all there to see that this country is f
ked because Labour mismanaged and spent too much.
Yet people still keep voting for these arse clowns.
'Errrr who shall I vote for? Well my pop always voted labour so I'll do it to... Hear you are Great Britain, have some Cancer'
ked because Labour mismanaged and spent too much.Yet people still keep voting for these arse clowns.
'Errrr who shall I vote for? Well my pop always voted labour so I'll do it to... Hear you are Great Britain, have some Cancer'
Let's face it, these morons won't be happy until the country is in ruin and the IMF have stepped in.
Oakey said:
Zaxxon said:
Typical, it's all there to see that this country is fked because Labour mismanaged and spent too much.
Yet people still keep voting for these arse clowns.
'Errrr who shall I vote for? Well my pop always voted labour so I'll do it to... Hear you are Great Britain, have some Cancer'
ked because Labour mismanaged and spent too much.Yet people still keep voting for these arse clowns.
'Errrr who shall I vote for? Well my pop always voted labour so I'll do it to... Hear you are Great Britain, have some Cancer'
Let's face it, these morons won't be happy until the country is in ruin and the IMF have stepped in.
But that's part of the progressive socialist agenda. More & more oppressive government, more & more attacks on our freedoms, heading us towards a New World Order headed by George Soros.
Buy gold, bottled water, tinned food and shotguns, people. The dark times are nearly upon us.
[/Glenn Beck mode off]
Pwig said:
Have another: 
Bus Pass Elvis said:
Fed up with heating bills? Knit yourself a cardigan and shrrup up moaning!
Derek Smith said:
The biggest risk to the coalition is the Liberal party. If the vote on AV goes down the tubes then they will have to try and salvage their party from the pit it is in at present or it will disappear. It might even collapse before that. It is all very well Cameron saying that he will run full term but circumstances dictate.
If the vote goes against the LibDems then there will probably be an internal coup. Clegg will be kicked out, ostensibly because he backtracked on solemn pre-election promises, such as not raising tuition fees and not raising VAT. Oh, hold on, only one of those. Then there will be a renegotiation of terms.
If the referendum goes against the LDs then they will have to live with the result. Unless criticisms of how the campaign was handled could be made to stick, I can't see a leadership coupe coming, if for no other reason that there is no obvious candidate at the moment who is likely to resurrect the party's electability sufficiently to make it worthwhileIf the vote goes against the LibDems then there will probably be an internal coup. Clegg will be kicked out, ostensibly because he backtracked on solemn pre-election promises, such as not raising tuition fees and not raising VAT. Oh, hold on, only one of those. Then there will be a renegotiation of terms.
Derek Smith said:
To prove it they will pull out of propping up Cameron but generally vote with the Tories until their ratings go up sufficiently for them to risk a general election.
How Cameron handles a minority government will be the real test and one I’m not sure he has the ability to do successfully. He could be sacrificed of course and a heavyweight brought in.
We’ll see. But I have to say that, unless the economy picks up soon this government will not last the full term.
Derek, you should be old enough to know better than to believe this!How Cameron handles a minority government will be the real test and one I’m not sure he has the ability to do successfully. He could be sacrificed of course and a heavyweight brought in.
We’ll see. But I have to say that, unless the economy picks up soon this government will not last the full term.
Governments become unpopular mid-term. That's what governments do, virtually without exception (and not only in this country). No ruling party wants an election when they are unpopular, and this applies as much to the LDs as it does to anybody else.
If the LDs pull out of the coalition and simply support a minority tory government when it suits them, they would put themselves in a position of extreme vulnerability, especially if and when tory fortunes start to rise again. For similar reasons I believe that the coalition is more likely to survive full term if the economy does not pick up, because nobody is going to call a snap election when the economy is in the pits. If they do, the current opposition would win it.
And as regards "bringing in a heavyweight," who had you in mind? I see nobody who might fit that bill who would unite the party at the moment.
Uhura fighter said:
Labour seat since the first World War.
The seat was created in 1997.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldham_East_and_Saddl...
rs1952 said:
Governments become unpopular mid-term. That's what governments do, virtually without exception (and not only in this country). No ruling party wants an election when they are unpopular, and this applies as much to the LDs as it does to anybody else.
Do you believe we have reached mid-term in the governments life?Saddleworth
Oldham East
Typical Saddleworth Resident. (couple of thousand of them)
Typical Glodwick Resident. (Quite a few thousand more)
Labour nailed the two areas together, guess which bit the lib dem and tory voters come from?
(And before I'm accused of bias, both those images came from the first page of results from google images with "Glodwick" and "Saddleworth" as the only search terms)
Oldham East
Typical Saddleworth Resident. (couple of thousand of them)
Typical Glodwick Resident. (Quite a few thousand more)
Labour nailed the two areas together, guess which bit the lib dem and tory voters come from?
(And before I'm accused of bias, both those images came from the first page of results from google images with "Glodwick" and "Saddleworth" as the only search terms)
Edited by cazzer on Friday 14th January 10:50
Fittster said:
Uhura fighter said:
Labour seat since the first World War.
The seat was created in 1997.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldham_East_and_Saddl...
cazzer said:
Labour nailed the two areas together, guess which bit the lib dem and tory voters come from?
Please explain how the Labour party created the constituency?I see two problems with your argument:
1. It was first fought 1997, which means it was created under John Majors conservative government.,
2. The boundary commission defines constituencies.
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