Sun rises two days early - in Greenland

Sun rises two days early - in Greenland

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anonymous-user

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55 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Magog

2,652 posts

190 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Remember all those animals are committing mass suicide as well... It's like something out of an M. Night Shyamalan film, maybe the Mayans were right, hope you're all stocked up on tinned food and shotgun cartridges.

thegman

1,928 posts

205 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Magog said:
Remember all those animals are committing mass suicide as well... It's like something out of an M. Night Shyamalan film, maybe the Mayans were right, hope you're all stocked up on tinned food and shotgun cartridges.
So it will be a bit spooky but with poorly developed characters and a laughable plot?

ZOLLAR

19,908 posts

174 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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I think i saw a Documentary in the cinema about that month and a half darkness very spooky, at least with the sun rising 2 days earlier the vampires won't be able to attack the population now as in the film they got most of them!.

Eric Mc

122,056 posts

266 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Sounds a batty explanation to me.

If the icecap is lower, then, to someone situated on the icecap, they would be lower too. That means, from their line of sight, the horizon would actually be slightly nearer - which means that the sun would appear to rise LATER, not earlier. We all know that the higher you are, the earlier you see the sun rise, or the later you see the sun set.

It is impossible for the sun to "rise" earlier or later than predicted, as that would imply that the earth had somehow changed its rotational speed unexpectedly - which it hasn't.

What they might be observing is some atmopspheric condition which is allowing SUNLIGHT to be refracted above the horizon sooner than it normally does. The sun itself will appear above the horizon at the normal, predicted time.


Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 17th January 08:30

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

245 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Yup, this looks like twilight, not sunrise. Move along, nothing to see here.

Jackleman

974 posts

167 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Sounds a batty explanation to me.

If the icecap is lower, then, to someone situated on the icecap, they would be lower too. That means, from their line of sight, the horizon would actually be slightly nearer - which means that the sun would appear to rise LATER, not earlier. We all know that the higher you are, the earlier you see the sun rise, or the later you see the sun set.

It is impossible for the sun to "rise" earlier or later than predicted, as that would imply that the earth had somehow changed its rotational speed unexpectedly - which it hasn't.

What they might be observing is some atmopspheric condition which is allowing SUNLIGHT to be refracted above the horizon sooner than it normally does. The sun itself will appear above the horizon at the normal, predicted time.


Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 17th January 08:30
If the place in question is on actual land but the area normally obscuring the sun is ice then it seems perfectly plausible to me.

Gun

13,431 posts

219 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Sounds a batty explanation to me.

If the icecap is lower, then, to someone situated on the icecap, they would be lower too. That means, from their line of sight, the horizon would actually be slightly nearer - which means that the sun would appear to rise LATER, not earlier. We all know that the higher you are, the earlier you see the sun rise, or the later you see the sun set.

It is impossible for the sun to "rise" earlier or later than predicted, as that would imply that the earth had somehow changed its rotational speed unexpectedly - which it hasn't.

What they might be observing is some atmopspheric condition which is allowing SUNLIGHT to be refracted above the horizon sooner than it normally does. The sun itself will appear above the horizon at the normal, predicted time.


Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 17th January 08:30
That's exactly what I said to someone who told me it was proof of MMGW. Just shows that none of them have even a basic grasp of simple science.

Eric Mc

122,056 posts

266 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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We don't know the position of the observers nor what their "normal" view of the horizon should be to fully understand what the situation is.

Why would the ice on the horuizon line reduce at a different level to the ice they are standing on?

Is their horizon blocked by hills and mountains?

Were those hills and mountains so covered in ice and the ice loss has been so great in a year that the sun appeared TWO DAYS earlier than expected.

The whole report smacks of sloppy and inaccurate reporting - not to mention ignorance of basic knowledge about the nature of the Arctic daylight conditions.

V88Dicky

7,305 posts

184 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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The quasi-religious climate change brethren are really desperate now.

Blaming climate change for the sun rising early! nuts


As always, no link to anthropogenic devils bowel gas discharge.

Edited by V88Dicky on Monday 17th January 09:42

JuniorD

8,628 posts

224 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Balderdash! Same eejit media probably believe the sun wears a hat in accordance with the well known ditty that ends hip hip hip hooray.

crmcatee

5,696 posts

228 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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The Chinese have retained all the water in the Three Gorges dam. The obvious retention of weight has tilted the axis of the earth ever so slightly.


turbobloke

104,024 posts

261 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Einion Yrth said:
Yup, this looks like twilight, not sunrise. Move along, nothing to see here.
My thoughts also, atmospheric refraction or similar affecting morning twilight not sunrise.

ETA though of course refraction is pertinent to sunrise.

Very odd report.

Edited by turbobloke on Monday 17th January 11:31

turbobloke

104,024 posts

261 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Gun said:
Eric Mc said:
Sounds a batty explanation to me.

If the icecap is lower, then, to someone situated on the icecap, they would be lower too. That means, from their line of sight, the horizon would actually be slightly nearer - which means that the sun would appear to rise LATER, not earlier. We all know that the higher you are, the earlier you see the sun rise, or the later you see the sun set.

It is impossible for the sun to "rise" earlier or later than predicted, as that would imply that the earth had somehow changed its rotational speed unexpectedly - which it hasn't.

What they might be observing is some atmopspheric condition which is allowing SUNLIGHT to be refracted above the horizon sooner than it normally does. The sun itself will appear above the horizon at the normal, predicted time.


Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 17th January 08:30
That's exactly what I said to someone who told me it was proof of MMGW. Just shows that none of them have even a basic grasp of simple science.
It's not proof of manmade global warming. There is still no causality to humans in ice mass changes. For manmade up anything to be 'proved' there needs to be established causality to humans.

XJSJohn

15,966 posts

220 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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anonymous said:
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as mentioned by someone commenting on the Wail's comments board. ....

Westerly town, sun rises in the East, mostly big fek off mountains between West Coast of Greenland and the sun rising in the East ......

Sounds like a load of bks to me!

jmorgan

36,010 posts

285 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Methinks observational error or prediction error. Probaly sent the apprentice out to measure it cos its cold.

Laurel Green

30,782 posts

233 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Did this not happen back in the sixties, when platform-shoes first became fashionable?

dave_s13

13,814 posts

270 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Laurel Green said:
Did this not happen back in the sixties, when platform-shoes first became fashionable?
Bee Gees...Staying alive.

Just came on Radio 2 as I read that.

Laugh? Nearly smile

Jasey@

4,897 posts

179 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Magog said:
Remember all those animals are committing mass suicide as well... It's like something out of an M. Night Shyamalan film, maybe the Mayans were right, hope you're all stocked up on tinned food and shotgun cartridges.
The birds went on a bender and drank themselves to death / killed by fireworks / run over by cars - apparently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/12170571

smile

superkartracer

8,959 posts

223 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15...

Don't forget. When you are truthing. You must expose the fact mainstream media is going to try blame this change that is happening on climate change! We need to counter this. Get on it!

wobble