Obama the hippocrit
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davepoth said:
Obama is playing a good game with China, and hoping it'll work like Cuba has.
Have you seen what he just did with Cuba? He's allowed Cuban-Americans to fly over there much more regularly, and take much more stuff and dollars over. Apparently every passenger plane flying from Miami to Havana is going in convoy with a freighter carrying the excess baggage.
In a couple of years Cuba's economy will be dollarized and there will be nothing the government can do there to stop the official economy from collapsing, causing a velvet revolution to a democracy, unless they open up the economy pretty quickly.
It's working a hell of a lot better than anything all of the previous presidents tried.
If you just shout and point at China, they won't change anything. An adversarial relationship with them would be dangerous on so many levels. Obama has to walk a fine line between alienating them, and getting them to move forwards on the important issues. It's called "Diplomacy", rather than "Shock and Awe".
What are you rabbiting on about?Have you seen what he just did with Cuba? He's allowed Cuban-Americans to fly over there much more regularly, and take much more stuff and dollars over. Apparently every passenger plane flying from Miami to Havana is going in convoy with a freighter carrying the excess baggage.
In a couple of years Cuba's economy will be dollarized and there will be nothing the government can do there to stop the official economy from collapsing, causing a velvet revolution to a democracy, unless they open up the economy pretty quickly.
It's working a hell of a lot better than anything all of the previous presidents tried.
If you just shout and point at China, they won't change anything. An adversarial relationship with them would be dangerous on so many levels. Obama has to walk a fine line between alienating them, and getting them to move forwards on the important issues. It's called "Diplomacy", rather than "Shock and Awe".
The rest of the world can trade with Cuba, so Cuba's condition is entirely self inflicted. The only reason a Cuban will return to Cuba with a big suitcase is to see if they can smuggle Gonzales out in it when he goes back to the US.
As for China - an adversarial relationship is exactly how GWB played the game and it did get results - have a look at the USD vs Yuan exchange rate - it stops moving once GWBs 8 years was up. The Chinese have zero respect for Obama.
And we're here again with Obama and his foreign policy of reaching out. He reached out to the Islamic world and they promptly put him in a position by asking for things he couldn't deliver. He putting himself in the same position with China, China won't deliver no matter how many meals you buy them.
If Obama want's some Chinese round for dinner, then I'm sure he can find some naturalized Chinese Americans to have over. I'm sure it'll be a lot more fruitful than dinner with the Chinese PM the other night.
shakotan said:
SplatSpeed said:
shakotan said:
el stovey said:
Bing o said:
Any idea who is next in the Whitehouse?
Arnold Schwarzenegger
What the Americans really need to be wary of is the rise of the Chinese military hardware industry. Heck I reckon the Chinese will flog their new stealth plane to all and sundry, pile em high and sell em cheap till we all have one and the merkins no longer have a trick card to play. Then there will be another shop to go to to buy shooty things, only this one will be cheaper and won't be so picky who it sells to. Obama's just trying to distract the Chinese, to slow them down. It is unfortunate for him though as China was on the up well before his time. It is the fault of the West as a whole over the last few decades trying to make a few more quid by sacking off our own producers and sending production East, who was bothered about China's human rights issues then eh? . Too late for scruples.
tinman0 said:
davepoth said:
Obama is playing a good game with China, and hoping it'll work like Cuba has.
Have you seen what he just did with Cuba? He's allowed Cuban-Americans to fly over there much more regularly, and take much more stuff and dollars over. Apparently every passenger plane flying from Miami to Havana is going in convoy with a freighter carrying the excess baggage.
In a couple of years Cuba's economy will be dollarized and there will be nothing the government can do there to stop the official economy from collapsing, causing a velvet revolution to a democracy, unless they open up the economy pretty quickly.
It's working a hell of a lot better than anything all of the previous presidents tried.
If you just shout and point at China, they won't change anything. An adversarial relationship with them would be dangerous on so many levels. Obama has to walk a fine line between alienating them, and getting them to move forwards on the important issues. It's called "Diplomacy", rather than "Shock and Awe".
What are you rabbiting on about?Have you seen what he just did with Cuba? He's allowed Cuban-Americans to fly over there much more regularly, and take much more stuff and dollars over. Apparently every passenger plane flying from Miami to Havana is going in convoy with a freighter carrying the excess baggage.
In a couple of years Cuba's economy will be dollarized and there will be nothing the government can do there to stop the official economy from collapsing, causing a velvet revolution to a democracy, unless they open up the economy pretty quickly.
It's working a hell of a lot better than anything all of the previous presidents tried.
If you just shout and point at China, they won't change anything. An adversarial relationship with them would be dangerous on so many levels. Obama has to walk a fine line between alienating them, and getting them to move forwards on the important issues. It's called "Diplomacy", rather than "Shock and Awe".
The rest of the world can trade with Cuba, so Cuba's condition is entirely self inflicted. The only reason a Cuban will return to Cuba with a big suitcase is to see if they can smuggle Gonzales out in it when he goes back to the US.
As for China - an adversarial relationship is exactly how GWB played the game and it did get results - have a look at the USD vs Yuan exchange rate - it stops moving once GWBs 8 years was up. The Chinese have zero respect for Obama.
And we're here again with Obama and his foreign policy of reaching out. He reached out to the Islamic world and they promptly put him in a position by asking for things he couldn't deliver. He putting himself in the same position with China, China won't deliver no matter how many meals you buy them.
If Obama want's some Chinese round for dinner, then I'm sure he can find some naturalized Chinese Americans to have over. I'm sure it'll be a lot more fruitful than dinner with the Chinese PM the other night.
Bing o said:
So, the Churchill hating scum has the temerity to criticise the Chinese for their human rights record and currency manipulation (ignoring their own intervention in the USD) , and then agrees a $45billion trade deal...wow, what a man of principles.
Any idea who is next in the Whitehouse?
Honestly... Where to start.Any idea who is next in the Whitehouse?
A. I know this is a shock to you (or whatever other crazy editorial writer) but the infamous Churchill bust isn't even owned by the White House. It was a temporary loan to Bush W after 9/11. Emphasis on temporary. More to the point it was replaced with the bust of Abraham Lincoln who is a heck of a lot more important to the country and the world then Churchill. If it makes you feel better he still has on his desk the gift from G. Brown which was a pen holder built from the wood of the HMS Gannet.
B. Are you a child? The idea that you can't do business with people you disagree with is absurd. If human rights was the key consideration of the country we wouldn't be able to interact with the majority of the world including the UK. I'd also like to point out that the amount of pressure from the Europeans on this issue is nearly zero. At least we bring it up as a problem you just hide.
C. Currency has been a continuous part of US policy for over 10 years. Starting with Clinton, then Bush, now Obama. That's how real diplomacy works. Years of push on a single subject regardless of party or President. If anything I wish Bush W had been more effective the single largest increase in our Trade Balance to China happened under his administration and I think it was because he and the white house at the time wasn't interested in Asia or really in trade. As for the US Dollar. Tough. It's time that the US wasn;t responsible for the rest of the worlds problems. We should devalue the currency. The Chinese and the Germans and whatever other Export Oriented country you want to list have been getting far to much of an advantage.
D. Yes... the trade deal. That's one of the jobs on the government. To push for access to markets from our companies and to champion them when needed. That's what the job on the President is. If anything I wish he did more! 45B is a good start.
E. Cuba doesn't matter. It could fall into a gigantic hole in the world and the world wouldn't notice.
Edited by Tadite on Thursday 20th January 22:49
Pints said:
Bing o said:
Any idea who is next in the Whitehouse?
The majority of the electorate might just be stupid enough; they fell for the "yes, we can" crap, after all.
Palin will likely not even make the Republican nomination, much less President.tinman0 said:
davepoth said:
Well, Obama is months away from winning in Cuba, something that 52 years' worth of presidents have failed to do. As it turns out all that he had to do was be nice. Mad eh?
Winning what? Fittster said:
Bing o said:
Any idea who is next in the Whitehouse?
Obama?President Obama, strengthened by his adjustment to Republican gains and his response to the Tucson shootings, approaches next week's State of the Union address with renewed political momentum, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
The poll found that Obama's job approval rating has rebounded to 53 percent from 45 percent last month.
It also shows that he approaches upcoming fights with Republicans in Congress benefitting from greater public confidence in his ability to find common ground than his partisan adversaries enjoy.
For his Jan. 25 speech to Congress, "he will walk into the hall with a great deal of confidence and the wind at his back," said Peter Hart, the Democratic pollster who conducts the NBC/WSJ survey with Republican counterpart Bill McInturff. "The last six weeks has been the best six weeks the president has had" since his first year in office.
For Republicans, McInturff added, it was been a "short honeymoon" since they won control of the House and gained strength in the Senate in November's mid-term elections. Not only do a plurality of Americans regard the GOP negatively, but 55 percent predict that Congressional Republicans will be "too inflexible" in dealing with the president. That gives Obama added leverage, since just 26 percent predict Obama will be too inflexible.
Part of Obama's new strength with the public comes from the compromises he struck with Republicans over tax cuts and other issues in the lame-duck session of Congress late last year. Among other effects, the poll showed, the proportion of Americans describing Obama as "liberal" shrank to 45 percent from 55 percent one year ago; the proportion describing him as "moderate" increased to 40 percent from 30 percent.
Captain Cadillac said:
Pints said:
Bing o said:
Any idea who is next in the Whitehouse?
The majority of the electorate might just be stupid enough; they fell for the "yes, we can" crap, after all.
Let me introduce you to my bumper sticker (Even if it's on the back window)
Of course there's a saying... "It takes a Carter to get a Reagan".
I haven't heard from you in awhile CC, welcome back. 
Traveller said:
Captain Cadillac said:
Of course there's a saying... "It takes a Carter to get a Reagan".
Just what you need, a president who cannot remember his name or whether he has shat himself 5 minutes ago. Perhaps that should read, it takes a Cinton to get a bush jnr..... Shudder....... 
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