Colin McRae Fatal accident enquiry - Errr why ??

Colin McRae Fatal accident enquiry - Errr why ??

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CunningPlan

228 posts

161 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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I get the impression that the AAIB investigation would have discovered any obvious mechanical failures, so I'm comfortable the safety of the machine is assured. Any further inquiries that are solely for the purpose of insurers/bean counters fighting over who pays compensation should be paid for by them, not the tax payer.

HoHoHo

14,987 posts

251 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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The bloke is a complete cock and deserves no sympathy.

To take the lives of three people in the fashion he did is unforgivable.

RIP the passengers.

Colin, you deserve everything you got.

edition

957 posts

191 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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I think it's all too easy to make judgements after an event. How many times in life have you wished you hadnt just done that.

He didn't go out there to kill his own son...... Very silly thing to do and is awful but were only human.


Eric Mc

122,048 posts

266 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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fluffnik said:
A jolly went tragically wrong, entirely independent of the paperwork.

Up to date paperwork would have done nothing to stop the accident.

All things considered I'd rather live in a world lacking paperwork than one short of jollies...
Perhaps it indicated an atitude. Atitude causes more avoidable accidents than anything else.

Eric Mc

122,048 posts

266 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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edition said:
I think it's all too easy to make judgements after an event. How many times in life have you wished you hadnt just done that.

He didn't go out there to kill his own son...... Very silly thing to do and is awful but were only human.
What, flown a helociopter recklessley into trees - hmmmm - let me think.

No, can't recall ever doing that.

birdcage

2,840 posts

206 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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Anything that starts with "Watch this" always ends badly..


johnfm

13,668 posts

251 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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birdcage said:
Anything that starts with "Watch this" always ends badly..
This ^

wolves_wanderer

12,387 posts

238 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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Eric Mc said:
fluffnik said:
A jolly went tragically wrong, entirely independent of the paperwork.

Up to date paperwork would have done nothing to stop the accident.

All things considered I'd rather live in a world lacking paperwork than one short of jollies...
Perhaps it indicated an atitude. Atitude causes more avoidable accidents than anything else.
Exactly Eric. Lapsing medicals and type ratings speaks volumes of his attributes as a pilot (it's not just about flying). Low level stuff in a helicopter is enormously dangerous and, fun as it undoubtedly is, not something to be done without some very serious training. Most people on a first time in a helicopter just love the experience, there is no need outside of cocking about to do the low level stuff.

The double standards of PH are alive and well in this thread though...

0aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

23,901 posts

195 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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SplatSpeed said:
she is lying!
This username is apt...

HoHoHo

14,987 posts

251 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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edition said:
I think it's all too easy to make judgements after an event. How many times in life have you wished you hadnt just done that.

He didn't go out there to kill his own son...... Very silly thing to do and is awful but were only human.
So a little scrote from where ever drives his uninsured car without a license, crashes killing three people in the process.

Would we then say - well, we've all done it and it's easy top make a judgement after the event?

No we wouldn't, we'd be saying the little scrote deserved it and it's one less to worry about.......it's no different.

To suggest it's Very silly thing to do and is awful but were only human is having a laugh.

There are some machines and hobbies in this life that deserve utmost respect. Boxes with blades turning around on top are probably at the top of that list, and to fly without a license and insurance isn't silly, it's absolutely mental.

It's not as if he didn't have the money, he thought he was above the law and took his chances. If he hadn't had a crash then, when was he going to and would it be on a housing estate, or a busy road - would that just be 'silly'?

Andy Zarse

10,868 posts

248 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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Eric Mc said:
atitude. Atitude.
shootredcard

The standard of spelling on PH these days is lower than McRae's airmanship.


wink

Andy Zarse

10,868 posts

248 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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Eric Mc said:
edition said:
I think it's all too easy to make judgements after an event. How many times in life have you wished you hadnt just done that.

He didn't go out there to kill his own son...... Very silly thing to do and is awful but were only human.
What, flown a helociopter recklessley into trees - hmmmm - let me think.

No, can't recall ever doing that.
If he'd killed the passengers and survived himself he'd now, I'm guessing, be facing a manslaughter rap or other prosecution. It's not silly; it's criminal.

Derek Smith

45,676 posts

249 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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HoHoHo said:
. . . he thought he was above the law . . .
I, unfortunately, never knew the bloke as well as you obviously did. I spoke with him once but not long enough to know the inner workings of his mind.

HoHoHo

14,987 posts

251 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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Derek Smith said:
HoHoHo said:
. . . he thought he was above the law . . .
I, unfortunately, never knew the bloke as well as you obviously did. I spoke with him once but not long enough to know the inner workings of his mind.
I didn't know him, but to continue flying with no license and no insurance when he knew fine well he needed both indicates he thought he was above the law.

Simples.

85Carrera

3,503 posts

238 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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HoHoHo said:
The bloke is a complete cock and deserves no sympathy.

To take the lives of three people in the fashion he did is unforgivable.

RIP the passengers.

Colin, you deserve everything you got.
Quite agree. Always thought he was a bit of a cock and this report proves that whatever the apologists think.

fluffnik

20,156 posts

228 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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Eric Mc said:
fluffnik said:
All things considered I'd rather live in a world lacking paperwork than one short of jollies...
Perhaps it indicated an atitude. Atitude causes more avoidable accidents than anything else.
Indeed.

It seems he was every bit as much a yeeharr pilot as driver.

The lack of currency on his licence was not down to lack of flying it was down to lack of form filling - I don't think anyone has suggested that he'd have failed to get his licence signed off had he sought out a check flight...

aeropilot

34,655 posts

228 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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fluffnik said:
A jolly went tragically wrong, entirely independent of the paperwork.

Up to date paperwork would have done nothing to stop the accident.
You can't be 100% sure of that.

It's possible that had he might not have had his type rating approved had he attempted to 'do the right thing' regarding the paperwork (especially given his past regarding this) It's possible that several scenarios might have happened as a result that meant he would not have been able to fly the helo had he attempted to fulfil his obligations as a pilot. Any possible combination of these events might have meant he would not have been allowed to continue to fly.....and so therefore not have killed 3 other people.




fluffnik

20,156 posts

228 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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wolves_wanderer said:
Most people on a first time in a helicopter just love the experience, there is no need outside of cocking about to do the low level stuff.
AFAIK they'd all flown with him before.

wolves_wanderer said:
The double standards of PH are alive and well in this thread though...
yes

Hooning is good, except in helicopters...

HoHoHo

14,987 posts

251 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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aeropilot said:
fluffnik said:
A jolly went tragically wrong, entirely independent of the paperwork.

Up to date paperwork would have done nothing to stop the accident.
You can't be 100% sure of that.

It's possible that had he might not have had his type rating approved had he attempted to 'do the right thing' regarding the paperwork (especially given his past regarding this) It's possible that several scenarios might have happened as a result that meant he would not have been able to fly the helo had he attempted to fulfil his obligations as a pilot. Any possible combination of these events might have meant he would not have been allowed to continue to fly.....and so therefore not have killed 3 other people.
Very good point yes

Soovy

35,829 posts

272 months

Tuesday 6th September 2011
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HoHoHo said:
There are some machines and hobbies in this life that deserve utmost respect. Boxes with blades turning around on top are probably at the top of that list, and to fly without a license and insurance isn't silly, it's absolutely mental.
A good point well made. I am a very keen clay shooter, been shooting for 20 years. And you will never ever see me take a gun out of a sling before I have broken it open and checked it is safe.

The number of "experienced" and "good" shooters who flout this fundamental rule still shocks me. It's the supposedly "good" people who do - and they're the ones who end up blowing someones head off by accident.

On the flipside, I had the pleasure to shoot with a very senior member of the royal family, and his safety was exemplary, despite him being very close to the throne.


Play by the rules. Always. I don't give a tuppeny toss who you are. Wehn you're shooting/flying/racing the people with class never ever forget the basic obligations and the consequences of being too big for one's boots.