So that's why so many kids have ADHD...
Discussion
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12359070
I always wondered at which point "those" sort of kids, the sort we all had in our class at school, changed from simply being naughty little s
ts to having a medical disorder.
I'd love to see some sort of correlation over time between diagnosis and when benefits for it kicked in.
I always wondered at which point "those" sort of kids, the sort we all had in our class at school, changed from simply being naughty little s
ts to having a medical disorder.I'd love to see some sort of correlation over time between diagnosis and when benefits for it kicked in.
Fittster said:
Do schools receive more money if the kids are diagnosed with ADHD?
Not enough to make it worth the hassle of endless meetings and paperwork, even if they get a Statement of SEN (not enough to pay a Teaching ssistant for the support). Anyway, the Ed Psych diagnoses not the school. We have kids who I would say are just little sods, but I do have one who could be a posterboy for it... He's like a box of frogs on Amphetamines if he's not on his medication 
Just going through a very similar, sad case in my school. A boy was diagnosed with ADHD years ago and has been on Ritalin since then. His mother claimed DLA for him because his behavioural difficulties were so severe. He remained quite difficult to teach, but it was possible to work with him as long as he'd had his medication. Recently, his behaviour had been improving steadily - probably through natural processes of growing up. A couple of weeks ago some kind of assessment was done outside of school which concluded that he was no longer severe enough to qualify for DLA and the benefit was therefore withdrawn.
Since then his mother has thrown away all his Ritalin, and is actively pressuring him to 'play up' at school so she can start claiming the money again. He has therefore become extremely disruptive, even though it's his GCSE year. He wants to behave himself but feels that he simply has no option but to get into trouble. As the BBC story highlights, his mother is far from unique in her approach to 'motherhood' but it does make you question, really, what sort of a future this country faces. She has a daughter as well, with similar issues, whose avowed aim is to get pregnant as soon as possible...
On a side note, irrespective of whether you 'believe' in ADHD or not, the effectiveness of the prescribed drugs in addressing its effects can be quite astonishing to see. Medication can turn a child who is utterly impossible to teach into someone you can, with a bit of effort, actually work with. I've taught many cases over the years - you can tell within 30 seconds of them coming into the room whether they've had their pills that day. From my perspective it doesn't really matter whether it's bad parenting, diet, environment or a genuine medical condition. The end results are the same, and the treatment is effective.
Since then his mother has thrown away all his Ritalin, and is actively pressuring him to 'play up' at school so she can start claiming the money again. He has therefore become extremely disruptive, even though it's his GCSE year. He wants to behave himself but feels that he simply has no option but to get into trouble. As the BBC story highlights, his mother is far from unique in her approach to 'motherhood' but it does make you question, really, what sort of a future this country faces. She has a daughter as well, with similar issues, whose avowed aim is to get pregnant as soon as possible...
On a side note, irrespective of whether you 'believe' in ADHD or not, the effectiveness of the prescribed drugs in addressing its effects can be quite astonishing to see. Medication can turn a child who is utterly impossible to teach into someone you can, with a bit of effort, actually work with. I've taught many cases over the years - you can tell within 30 seconds of them coming into the room whether they've had their pills that day. From my perspective it doesn't really matter whether it's bad parenting, diet, environment or a genuine medical condition. The end results are the same, and the treatment is effective.
Funny isn't it, my brother was diagnosed with it as a kid, I'm guessing these benefits weren't avilable then though (early 90s)?
My girlfriends 13 year old brother also has it, I'm pretty sure her parents don't claim any benefits for this though.
So basically, once again, scumbags are working the system for their own gain whilst the genuine cases go without.
My girlfriends 13 year old brother also has it, I'm pretty sure her parents don't claim any benefits for this though.
So basically, once again, scumbags are working the system for their own gain whilst the genuine cases go without.
paddyhasneeds said:
This is news? It has been going on for the best part of ten years that I know of, and there are some doctor types who once upon a time found it much easier to just diagnose ADHD than put up with moaning chav parents. One of these docs was so in demand that parents would rather wait 6 months to see him than see the bloke who was equally qualified next week. Ten Ninety said:
On a side note, irrespective of whether you 'believe' in ADHD or not, the effectiveness of the prescribed drugs in addressing its effects can be quite astonishing to see. Medication can turn a child who is utterly impossible to teach into someone you can, with a bit of effort, actually work with. I've taught many cases over the years - you can tell within 30 seconds of them coming into the room whether they've had their pills that day. From my perspective it doesn't really matter whether it's bad parenting, diet, environment or a genuine medical condition. The end results are the same, and the treatment is effective.
Ritalin has some quite serious side effects. Some parents have seen the same astonishing effectiveness by changing their kids diet. Not letting them drink sugary drinks laced with tartrazine is a good start.FourWheelDrift said:
There were children around like that when I was at primary school. They were given a smack by the teacher. They didn't misbehave again.
Smacking has zero effect on children with real ADD/HD.Agree scum-bags are taking the piss but ADD/HD is very real ( it also stays into adulthood and not very pleasant )
What exactly are the benefits for? Are they supposed to be used for things like helping the child go to after school or weekend places where there are teachers trained to deal with ADHD kids so the parents can have a break? Or is it a "sorry your kid has ADHD, here have some money" thing?
A few years ago my job involved working with Apprentices who were working towards an NVQ level 4 IIRC.
During a training course we were told that Dyslexia was the single most over diagnosed condition in the education system.
At that time if a child was diagnosed with Dyslexia the teacher and school was absolved of all responsibility of Jimmy's under performance and st exam results.
Jimmy was excluded from the schools results tables and the school may even get extra funding to "help" little Jimmy.
I guess that ADHD is the new Dyslexia, which also covers Jimmy's errant behaviour.
During a training course we were told that Dyslexia was the single most over diagnosed condition in the education system.
At that time if a child was diagnosed with Dyslexia the teacher and school was absolved of all responsibility of Jimmy's under performance and s
t exam results.Jimmy was excluded from the schools results tables and the school may even get extra funding to "help" little Jimmy.
I guess that ADHD is the new Dyslexia, which also covers Jimmy's errant behaviour.
Ten Ninety said:
Just going through a very similar, sad case in my school. A boy was diagnosed with ADHD years ago and has been on Ritalin since then. His mother claimed DLA for him because his behavioural difficulties were so severe. He remained quite difficult to teach, but it was possible to work with him as long as he'd had his medication. Recently, his behaviour had been improving steadily - probably through natural processes of growing up. A couple of weeks ago some kind of assessment was done outside of school which concluded that he was no longer severe enough to qualify for DLA and the benefit was therefore withdrawn.
Since then his mother has thrown away all his Ritalin, and is actively pressuring him to 'play up' at school so she can start claiming the money again. He has therefore become extremely disruptive, even though it's his GCSE year. He wants to behave himself but feels that he simply has no option but to get into trouble. As the BBC story highlights, his mother is far from unique in her approach to 'motherhood' but it does make you question, really, what sort of a future this country faces. She has a daughter as well, with similar issues, whose avowed aim is to get pregnant as soon as possible...
On a side note, irrespective of whether you 'believe' in ADHD or not, the effectiveness of the prescribed drugs in addressing its effects can be quite astonishing to see. Medication can turn a child who is utterly impossible to teach into someone you can, with a bit of effort, actually work with. I've taught many cases over the years - you can tell within 30 seconds of them coming into the room whether they've had their pills that day. From my perspective it doesn't really matter whether it's bad parenting, diet, environment or a genuine medical condition. The end results are the same, and the treatment is effective.
He'll be fine, i actually walked out of my exams in the final year at 15 ( passing nothing ), after years of being a very uncontrolable child from hell, lost count of how many psychologists i had to see but aways stayed away from any drugs and always looked at it as a game!, regards drugs.. back then assume this was down to the fact it was 80-90's so not that keen to hand them out.Since then his mother has thrown away all his Ritalin, and is actively pressuring him to 'play up' at school so she can start claiming the money again. He has therefore become extremely disruptive, even though it's his GCSE year. He wants to behave himself but feels that he simply has no option but to get into trouble. As the BBC story highlights, his mother is far from unique in her approach to 'motherhood' but it does make you question, really, what sort of a future this country faces. She has a daughter as well, with similar issues, whose avowed aim is to get pregnant as soon as possible...
On a side note, irrespective of whether you 'believe' in ADHD or not, the effectiveness of the prescribed drugs in addressing its effects can be quite astonishing to see. Medication can turn a child who is utterly impossible to teach into someone you can, with a bit of effort, actually work with. I've taught many cases over the years - you can tell within 30 seconds of them coming into the room whether they've had their pills that day. From my perspective it doesn't really matter whether it's bad parenting, diet, environment or a genuine medical condition. The end results are the same, and the treatment is effective.
It still effects me now.. but the difference is i know how to use and control it.
I've no doubt that ADD/HD is very real, but taking advantage of the system this way is fecking dispicable.
For the past 2 years my partner has been taking our stepdaughter to the pediatrican in hartlepool (yeah I know, I know, it's a dump) and they consistantly told her she had ADHD and would "grow out of it".
Last year they moved down south to live with me and we had to start the process all over again, however this time, with dramatic results, since seeing the doc in Surrey she was assesed for Autism and ADHD, with a final diagnosis of ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) and no ADHD last week.
Now this is pretty fking significant as if they had done their job properly up north we would be 2 years further down the line with the treatment than we are now, but how could we expect them to do the right thing, when it's so much easier to simply say ADHD.
We lodged a complaint with the council, and the first thing they asked was, how much compensation we were after, I said simply, "we don't want any fkign money, just for you to admit you were wrong, and make sure it doesn't happen to another family."
The bloody compensation and benefit culture in this country is all wrong and rewards the wrong people, we have DLA for our daughter as quite frankly if she wasn't monitored 24/7 she would hurt (possibly fataly) herself, people who claim they need DLA because little johnny can't sit still, need a severe beating and a kick in the crotch.
Sorry for the rant, but it's a really sore point for me right now.
For the past 2 years my partner has been taking our stepdaughter to the pediatrican in hartlepool (yeah I know, I know, it's a dump) and they consistantly told her she had ADHD and would "grow out of it".
Last year they moved down south to live with me and we had to start the process all over again, however this time, with dramatic results, since seeing the doc in Surrey she was assesed for Autism and ADHD, with a final diagnosis of ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) and no ADHD last week.
Now this is pretty f
king significant as if they had done their job properly up north we would be 2 years further down the line with the treatment than we are now, but how could we expect them to do the right thing, when it's so much easier to simply say ADHD.We lodged a complaint with the council, and the first thing they asked was, how much compensation we were after, I said simply, "we don't want any f
kign money, just for you to admit you were wrong, and make sure it doesn't happen to another family."The bloody compensation and benefit culture in this country is all wrong and rewards the wrong people, we have DLA for our daughter as quite frankly if she wasn't monitored 24/7 she would hurt (possibly fataly) herself, people who claim they need DLA because little johnny can't sit still, need a severe beating and a kick in the crotch.
Sorry for the rant, but it's a really sore point for me right now.
ADHD, is this what used to be called "lack of smacked botty syndrome"?
Try not shoving MaccyD's, chrisps, and fizzy drinks loaded with artificial st down their throats and see what happens...
(Not aimed at anyone, just general frustration at the wilful negligence shown by parents towards the dietary health of their kids).
Try not shoving MaccyD's, chrisps, and fizzy drinks loaded with artificial s
t down their throats and see what happens...(Not aimed at anyone, just general frustration at the wilful negligence shown by parents towards the dietary health of their kids).
Hobzy said:
Fittster said:
Do schools receive more money if the kids are diagnosed with ADHD?
Not enough to make it worth the hassle of endless meetings and paperwork, even if they get a Statement of SEN (not enough to pay a Teaching ssistant for the support). Anyway, the Ed Psych diagnoses not the school. We have kids who I would say are just little sods, but I do have one who could be a posterboy for it... He's like a box of frogs on Amphetamines if he's not on his medication The "system" is flawed and open to circumvention and abuse. Although I support the principles of the process, I cannot support a system that is so open to abuse where it is the kids that actually suffer. Its wrong.
Oh, and what happened in the situation above? The school got caught, kids got removed and placed directly in the special school and parents informed - most went mental as they didnt even know! Kids happy, parents happy and school ticked off - unfortunately no one didnt get a repremand over this!
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