So that's why so many kids have ADHD...

[ge0rge]

This post reminds me of the knee jerk headlines you get on the Daily Wail !

[davepoth]

thinfourth2 said:

For a rare condition ADHD is fking common

ADHD is rare. Being a scrote, not so much. Unfortunately to the untrained eye or the harassed doctor they can look rather similar.

[Engineer1]

I strongly suspect ADHD etc. do exist but some of it is medicalising normal naughty boy behaviour, 2 years ago while studying on PGCE I found out that more boys than girls are diagnosed as having Special Educational Needs and also that more boys than girls are on the Autistic spectrum. Which leads me to wonder if normal naughtiness is becoming a medical condition, is "normal" no longer "normal"?

[zcacogp]

DonkeyApple said:

ADHD in the majority of cases is simply a polite way of saying 'st parents'. Most of societies ills are due to st parenting.

This.

There was a heated debate on here a while ago about the need for licences to become a parent. It's a notion I am STRONGLY in favour of.


Oli.

[carmonk]

ADHD is a nonsense. Bascially there's a scale of badness with angelic behaviour at one end and demonic at the other. Some bright spark has chosen an arbitrary point along that scale and decreed that any kid to the right of that point has ADHD. It reminds me of the last Pikey Wedding episode, when the only one who could read and write explained it by saying, "These lot can't read, they're all dyslexic."

[superkartracer]

carmonk said:

ADHD is a nonsense

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19528-have-gene-findings-taken-the-stigma-from-adhd.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/80325...

Prof Thapar said she hoped attitudes to ADHD would now change, as they had done for autism: "Some years ago people were saying that autism was caused by 'refrigerator parents'. That has changed and hopefully it will change for ADHD too."

Prof Thapar - http://medicine.cf.ac.uk/en/person/prof-anita-thap...

Interested to see your research on CNVs in the genomes mentioned

[SplatSpeed]

ritalin when prescribed for the kids

can be used for free by the parent as a downer!

[Engineer1]

I suspect the Pikey wedding thing they are all dyslexic was an excuse to avoid saying they never learnt to read or write, I know which one i'd use to a random stranger I never met before or was going to meet again. Dyslexia is a much easier excuse and may have got an ok fill one in i'll photocopy the rest, they are all thick and can't read or write would possibly have me saying sorry we appear to have double booked ourselves.

[Steffan]

I have no wish to make pariahs of either ADHD children or their parents.

However no one can ignore the coincidence of the rise in ADHD and the rise in parents claiming benefits for offspring who are suffering from ADHD.

Without being churlish this is a remarkable coincidence and one which the Politicians need to examine with the civil service. It looks odd very odd.

I owned two Private Children's Day Nurseries in years gone by upwards of 150 children. Probably the most satisfying and rewarding (not financial) businesses I ever set up.

But exposure to the mass of parents taught me one sad fact.

Philip Larkin was right in his poem

'They F--- us up our Mum and Dads, they don't mean to but they do'.

I do believe there are parents who are so selfish and blind to their own selfishness, that they may well seek to benefit from the circumstances of their child financially. Awful to admit but I am afraid I have seen it happen, very occasionally.

Let us not forget that, but for the Truck Acts brought in in the 1700's there would be children insured and found dead by accident every day.

The Truck Acts made insurance of children by parents. I think we know why.

That is the inherent danger of this system and we need to eliminate this danger.

[carmonk]

superkartracer said:

carmonk said:

ADHD is a nonsense

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19528-have-gene-findings-taken-the-stigma-from-adhd.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/80325...

Prof Thapar said she hoped attitudes to ADHD would now change, as they had done for autism: "Some years ago people were saying that autism was caused by 'refrigerator parents'. That has changed and hopefully it will change for ADHD too."

Prof Thapar - http://medicine.cf.ac.uk/en/person/prof-anita-thap...

Interested to see your research on CNVs in the genomes mentioned

"Breaking News: After 30 years Scientists succeed in finding a sliver of evidence for ADHD!"

For someone who dismissed 50% of people in the UK as "white trash scum" you've certainly changed your tune - maybe they've all got ADHD

[Fatman2]

zcacogp said:

This.

There was a heated debate on here a while ago about the need for licences to become a parent. It's a notion I am STRONGLY in favour of.


Oli.

But one that unfortunately would be impossible to implement given that good parenting does not follow any rules that you may want to apply.

I've known experienced/sucessful childminders who've decided to have kids themselves and they've turned into the most obnoxious, unruly little sts on the planet.

A well respected governor at my school has a daughter that has been bullying another child for years. It's only just come out that she used her parents role as a governor as the reason why her victim wouldn't be able to do anything about it. Thus the poor girl has kept it bottled up till now (now the governor is stepping down!).

Or how about the respectable couple that have kids and then the father decides to have a double affair, throwing the entire family into turmoil and seriously affecting the behaviour of the two kids.

Sadly it's often the people you least expect to be ste parents that end up being ste parents.

A great idea in theory......

[superkartracer]

carmonk said:

"Breaking News: After 30 years Scientists succeed in finding a sliver of evidence for ADHD!"

For someone who dismissed 50% of people in the UK as "white trash scum" you've certainly changed your tune - maybe they've all got ADHD

DNA research is still its infancy.. so understandable really, and i've no doubt at some point ( if not already ) DNA damage will also give insight into why people are gay, very
interesting research and worth looking into rather than simply dismissing such a complex topic.

Regards the *white trash* it's the same scum that are making these claims! see others posts

My wifes dad is around 60, he still thinks dyslexic is a term for thick people, bearing in mind this clown can't even use the internet.

Had to point out the case of my mate running a large company turning over 80 million and this chap can't even write an email as dyslexic.
Drives a cracking Vanquish S tho

[NoNeed]

In my ingnorance of this condition I googled to find out more. Not only is there a massive number of websites and organisations for this disorder, but there is one I found interesting.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensi...

You can't drive with this condition without jumping through alot of DVLA hoops, and going through alot of medical checks. Something I am familiar with being diabetic.

I wonder how many sufferers are out and about in their corsa's not knowing this?

[superkartracer]

NoNeed said:

I wonder how many sufferers are out and about in their corsa's not knowing this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XQcdVp9sls

[DonkeyApple]

NoNeed said:

In my ingnorance of this condition I googled to find out more. Not only is there a massive number of websites and organisations for this disorder, but there is one I found interesting.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensi...

You can't drive with this condition without jumping through alot of DVLA hoops, and going through alot of medical checks. Something I am familiar with being diabetic.

I wonder how many sufferers are out and about in their corsa's not knowing this?

Diabetes. That's just a ruse to get sweets off your mates.

[NoNeed]

superkartracer said:

NoNeed said:

I wonder how many sufferers are out and about in their corsa's not knowing this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XQcdVp9sls

You think he has a corsa?

Great link though

[carmonk]

superkartracer said:

carmonk said:

"Breaking News: After 30 years Scientists succeed in finding a sliver of evidence for ADHD!"

For someone who dismissed 50% of people in the UK as "white trash scum" you've certainly changed your tune - maybe they've all got ADHD

DNA research is still its infancy.. so understandable really, and i've no doubt at some point ( if not already ) DNA damage will also give insight into why people are gay, very
interesting research and worth looking into rather than simply dismissing such a complex topic.

Regards the *white trash* it's the same scum that are making these claims! see others posts

Every behavioural characteristic - every single one - is traceable in theory to configuration and composition of the brain and its associated structures, whether that be genes and DNA or chemical imbalance or whatever. My point is that there is no single marker that says this person has ADHD and this one doesn't, it's a symptom-based diagnosis, and therefore a point is assigned on a sliding scale of symptoms and assumed causal defects. One side of the point we have kids who are naughty, on the other we have kids who have ADHD and are therefore exempt from judgement. Now I'm sure that a tiny proportion of kids suffer a defect which clearly affects their behaviour to such a degree that a label is needed to identify this, but let's not, er, kid ourselves, 99% of the ADHD business is a bullst excuse for bad parenting.

What's more, this blanket diagnosis of ADHD for any sort of misbehaviour does more harm than good. How many chav mothers are phutting kids from their clunges like organic chain guns, secure in the knowledge they run riot because they've got ADHD and not because she's a st mother and should have been sterilised at puberty? Like many things, something with a core of truth has been twisted out of all recognition to the detriment of society.

[superkartracer]

Actually agree with what you are saying on some points, so what solution would you like to see.

Chav, i'm glad you used this term as it covers the 15-30 million i covered

Edited by superkartracer on Monday 7th February 14:56

[speedchick]

Engineer1 said:

I strongly suspect ADHD etc. do exist but some of it is medicalising normal naughty boy behaviour, 2 years ago while studying on PGCE I found out that more boys than girls are diagnosed as having Special Educational Needs and also that more boys than girls are on the Autistic spectrum. Which leads me to wonder if normal naughtiness is becoming a medical condition, is "normal" no longer "normal"?

The problem is with the definition of SEN, I always thought it was for those with ADHD, Autism etc, and was rather surprised when my 'unlabelled' son was put on the SEN program at school, the actual definition is bascially any child that needs additional help of any form. In my son's case it was him being monitored on report lesson by lesson to fulfill 3 requests set by the teachers (to turn up on time, do all work given and be respectful) he also needs 1-1 help with his maths.

SEN can include a broad range of help that kids need, even if its something as simple as a large print book, or providing work sheets in a colour other than white.

The sad thing is, with statemented kids, the help and funding is given to the school, as soon as that kid starts responding to help, and progressing, they reach a level where its cut off and they fall back down to the bottom again.

[zcacogp]

Fatman2 said:

But one that unfortunately would be impossible to implement given that good parenting does not follow any rules that you may want to apply.

...

Sadly it's often the people you least expect to be ste parents that end up being ste parents.

A great idea in theory......

True, all true. But I think the point is that you can make a reasonable guess as to which parents will make bad parents, and prevent them from procreating. Which would, in itself, save a load of grief a few years down the line.


Oli.