Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.
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dickymint said:
Drear oh drear! Playground antics are all over the place with these propagandists.More Met Office Spin About Annual Temperatures
Once again, for political reasons, the Met Office is “jumping the gun” and drawing conclusions about the global annual temperature of 2011 before all the data has come in. It is also erroneously saying that even with a globally cooling La Nina event 2011 is a record year.
David Whitehouse, The Global Warming Policy Foundation, 29 November 2011
The 'record' is only a tenth place is it not, premature at that, and in a meaningless short space of time?! Fancy having to crow about a tenth place result arising from premature adjudication, and one that is in any case rendered meaningless by lack of causality.
Once again, for political reasons, the Met Office is “jumping the gun” and drawing conclusions about the global annual temperature of 2011 before all the data has come in. It is also erroneously saying that even with a globally cooling La Nina event 2011 is a record year.
David Whitehouse, The Global Warming Policy Foundation, 29 November 2011
The 'record' is only a tenth place is it not, premature at that, and in a meaningless short space of time?! Fancy having to crow about a tenth place result arising from premature adjudication, and one that is in any case rendered meaningless by lack of causality.
chris watton said:
LongQ said:
Which particular part is a bit sad?
For the purposes of disclosure, Mojocvh has alluded to owning, or allowing a wind farm to be built on his property.Is that about right, Mojocvh?
Apache said:
Mojocvh said:
Apache said:
Mojocvh said:
"This time the pressure is on to find a site before the government starts building its new generation of nuclear power stations."
GET THE FECK ON WITH IT THEN!!
cut down on lekky too as you'll all be glowing so much you won't need lightbulbs.So, who's paid for this little fairytale?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1594...
Cockend.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1594...
Cockend.
Diderot said:
So, who's paid for this little fairytale?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1594...
Cockend.
As I suspected, it's a non-record tenth place over a very short period of time.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1594...
Cockend.
Based on premature adjudication before the year is over.
And still no causality to humans.
Obviously these points were made by Black in the article...written merely to provide some upbeat spin for the warmists' disaster at Durban: no binding agreement (again) with the EU backtracking and isn't Canada getting the hell out of the 'mistake' of Kyoto very publicly?
Diderot said:
From the article...
Yo-yos growing faster than previously thought?
Diderot said:
So, who's paid for this little fairytale?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1594...
Cockend.
""Concentrations of greenhouse gases... are very rapidly approaching levels consistent with a 2.0-2.4C rise in average global temperatures, which scientists believe could trigger far-reaching and irreversible changes in our Earth, biosphere and oceans.""http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1594...
Cockend.
So why is it freezing here in Manchester? La Nina notwithstanding, and if levels of CO2 were much higher previously was the planet an unlivable place then? from what I've read it was very pleasant
Apache said:
""Concentrations of greenhouse gases... are very rapidly approaching levels consistent with a 2.0-2.4C rise in average global temperatures, which scientists believe could trigger far-reaching and irreversible changes in our Earth, biosphere and oceans.""
So why is it freezing here in Manchester? La Nina notwithstanding, and if levels of CO2 were much higher previously was the planet an unlivable place then? from what I've read it was very pleasant
We've been through this a thousand times...So why is it freezing here in Manchester? La Nina notwithstanding, and if levels of CO2 were much higher previously was the planet an unlivable place then? from what I've read it was very pleasant
Cold is weather
Hot is climate change
Mojocvh said:
I feel that the "seasons" are coming later during the calendar year though...
I also recall people saying it felt like Autumn had come early as the trees were shedding their leaves rather early this year.How about when we have a warm period from April - May and then Summer is crap?
Or the previous three years where it was surprisingly Wintery in December with frost and snow?
Mojocvh said:
Oakey said:
bigdog3 said:
loafer123 said:
We've been through this a thousand times...
Cold is weather
Hot is climate change
LMFAO Cold is weather
Hot is climate change
Rain - Climate Change
Wind - Climate Change
Snow - Climate Change
2011 UK early summer?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/apr/11/early-sum...
2010 USA early winter?
http://oklahomaskiesdotnet.blogspot.com/2010/08/wi...
2010 UK early winter?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/19/uk-weathe...
2005 UK early spring?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4379533.stm
Mojocvh said:
I feel that the "seasons" are coming later during the calendar year though...
as compared to last year when we were experiencing a foot of snow and minus10 degat this time of the year, its weather, one warm November does not make it a changing climate,
if the wind changes direction and starts coming from the north or the east the temperature will drop,
that's how it is in the UK.
David Suzuki...worse than previously thought
Preying on children at Christmas. What a thoroughly nasty little exercise..
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/30/the-worst-ki...
Preying on children at Christmas. What a thoroughly nasty little exercise..
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/30/the-worst-ki...
mybrainhurts said:
David Suzuki...worse than previously thought
Preying on children at Christmas. What a thoroughly nasty little exercise..
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/30/the-worst-ki...
Nothing worse than they tried last year - link...Preying on children at Christmas. What a thoroughly nasty little exercise..
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/30/the-worst-ki...
This (linked to at Bishop Hill) is related to the above, but also very much part of the ongoing Harrabin/Harrobin follow the money trail:
http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/sites/default/files/wp58....
Snip from post at Bish Hill:
he paper presents a "model of the social construction of a quasi-reality. By quasi-reality we mean a reality that thus far is defined by expert knowledge and is surrounded by uncertainty. One should keep in mind, that although we are dealing with a public construction of reality, the reality per se has not yet manifest…In effect, it is the social construction of quasi-reality."
"We suggest that, in the realm of the public, forces act to maintain or denounce a perceived reality which has already been constructed. That is, an issue introduced by science (or media for that matter) needs continual expression of confirmation if it is to be maintained as an issue."
" In this paper, we explore under what conditions belief in global warming or climate change, as identified and defined by experience, science and the media, can be maintained in the public’s perception."
"As the science itself is contested, needless to say, so are the potential policy changes. So how then do people make sense or construct a reality of something that they can never experience in its totality (climate) and a reality that has not yet manifest (i.e. climate change)?"
"To endorse policy change people must ‘believe’ that global warming will become a reality some time in the future."
"Only the experience of positive temperature anomalies will be registered as indication of change if the issue is framed as global warming."
"Both positive and negative temperature anomalies will be registered in experience as indication of change if the issue is framed as climate change."
"We propose that in those countries where climate change has become the predominant popular term for the phenomenon, unseasonably cold temperatures, for example, are also interpreted to reflect climate change/global warming."
So, Tyndall and Harrabin - an activist propaganda machine made in Gaia
ho ho ho...
http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/sites/default/files/wp58....
Snip from post at Bish Hill:
he paper presents a "model of the social construction of a quasi-reality. By quasi-reality we mean a reality that thus far is defined by expert knowledge and is surrounded by uncertainty. One should keep in mind, that although we are dealing with a public construction of reality, the reality per se has not yet manifest…In effect, it is the social construction of quasi-reality."
"We suggest that, in the realm of the public, forces act to maintain or denounce a perceived reality which has already been constructed. That is, an issue introduced by science (or media for that matter) needs continual expression of confirmation if it is to be maintained as an issue."
" In this paper, we explore under what conditions belief in global warming or climate change, as identified and defined by experience, science and the media, can be maintained in the public’s perception."
"As the science itself is contested, needless to say, so are the potential policy changes. So how then do people make sense or construct a reality of something that they can never experience in its totality (climate) and a reality that has not yet manifest (i.e. climate change)?"
"To endorse policy change people must ‘believe’ that global warming will become a reality some time in the future."
"Only the experience of positive temperature anomalies will be registered as indication of change if the issue is framed as global warming."
"Both positive and negative temperature anomalies will be registered in experience as indication of change if the issue is framed as climate change."
"We propose that in those countries where climate change has become the predominant popular term for the phenomenon, unseasonably cold temperatures, for example, are also interpreted to reflect climate change/global warming."
So, Tyndall and Harrabin - an activist propaganda machine made in Gaia
ho ho ho...
Edited by Diderot on Wednesday 30th November 22:15
Dear Tyndallistas...
Much that I dislike to quote Americana, I think you need to ponder that which is attributed by some to Abraham Lincoln..
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
Overlooked that one, didn't you...?
Much that I dislike to quote Americana, I think you need to ponder that which is attributed by some to Abraham Lincoln..
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
Overlooked that one, didn't you...?
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