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turbobloke said:
Missed it. Is it legally binding on any nation?
Or some vague 'agreement' that will lead to a process that will lead to...
Not legally binding, USA, China and India have agreed to further talks.Or some vague 'agreement' that will lead to a process that will lead to...
Lots of nonsense spouted about what a great success the meeting's been, and that they've managed to control future temperature rise to less than 2c - down from 4c.
How they get away with this utter nonsense leaves me in total bewilderment.
deeps said:
Not legally binding, USA, China and India have agreed to further talks.
Yeh, that seems to be it; they've agreed that it would be a good idea to meet and have another chat about it, so this was a summit to agree to having a summit. 
It's a good job these watermelons are completely useless at actually doing things, otherwise we'd be properly stitched up. Thankfully most seem happy being flown between 5* hotels to discuss things rather than actually writing treaties."‘The Durban Platform for Enhanced Action’ is carefully worded to ensure all countries are comfortable with the legal form.
It commits all parties to “a protocol, another legal instrument or an agreed outcome with legal force” that will be decided in 2015 and come into force in 2020.
In the interim between now and 2020 just Europe and a handful of other rich countries are legally bound to cutting carbon emissions through a second commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol."
Oh dear.
It commits all parties to “a protocol, another legal instrument or an agreed outcome with legal force” that will be decided in 2015 and come into force in 2020.
In the interim between now and 2020 just Europe and a handful of other rich countries are legally bound to cutting carbon emissions through a second commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol."
Oh dear.
Mr GrimNasty said:
"‘The Durban Platform for Enhanced Action’ is carefully worded to ensure all countries are comfortable with the legal form.
It commits all parties to “a protocol, another legal instrument or an agreed outcome with legal force” that will be decided in 2015 and come into force in 2020.
In the interim between now and 2020 just Europe and a handful of other rich countries are legally bound to cutting carbon emissions through a second commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol."
Oh dear.
Amazing isn't it! Durban's damp squib is pushed back to 2020 and not legally binding anyway.It commits all parties to “a protocol, another legal instrument or an agreed outcome with legal force” that will be decided in 2015 and come into force in 2020.
In the interim between now and 2020 just Europe and a handful of other rich countries are legally bound to cutting carbon emissions through a second commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol."
Oh dear.
It's much worse than previously thought
Meanwhile the EU has been getting cold feet and The Boy George has made it clear where the UK stands regardless of Huhne's ridiculous posturing.
yahtzee said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8949993/O...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8948363/150...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8948363/150...
PH in 'we got there years ago what kept you' scoop.
yahtzee said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8949993/O...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8948363/150...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8948363/150...
part of second link said:
"The wind energy industry has admitted that 1,500 accidents and other incidents have taken place on wind farms over the past five years."
The figures – released by RenewableUK, the industry's trade body – include four deaths and a further 300 injuries to workers.
The scale of incidents – equivalent to almost one a day – emerges following the publication of dramatic photographs showing one turbine which had crashed to the ground in a field near a road and another exploding into flames, caused by 150mph winds which buffeted Scotland and northern England last week.
Charles Anglin, RenewableUK's director of communications, stressed that last week's incidents were caused by "freak weather". The organisation said that no member of the public had ever been hurt as a result of a wind turbine accident.
A dossier of incidents, compiled by a campaign group opposed to wind farms, includes cases where blades, each weighing as much as 14 tonnes, have sheared off and crashed to the ground.
Residents living near a wind farm have reported sheltering in their homes when lumps of ice were thrown from blades from a 410-ft high turbine near Peterborough, Cambridgeshire.
One manufacturer of wind turbines admitted one of its models had a defect – understood to be caused by a faulty braking system that meant the blades could fly off – that led to hundreds of turbines being ordered to be shut down in September by the Health and Safety Executive.
The company, Proven Energy Ltd, based in Scotland, went into receivership shortly after.
Blades attached to smaller domestic wind turbines have also become detached and hit buildings – in one case penetrating the roof of a cabin used as an office.
Campaigners claim that the incidents show that "some parts of the country are too windy for turbines". Most turbines automatically shut down when the wind speed rises above 56mph because at that speed they can become unsafe.
In September a blade flew off a wind turbine on the roof of a new car park at Lister hospital in Stevenage, Hertfordshire, hitting a staff member’s car.
Last year a 140-turbine wind farm near Glasgow was temporarily shut down after a 14-tonne fibreglass blade broke off in windy conditions and landed at the base of its tower.
Two years ago, a 50ft turbine collapsed in the playground of a school on the Island of Raasay off the coast of Scotland, and in the same year a blade on a 190 ft wind turbine in Rotherham owned by Sheffield University broke in strong winds, prompting an investigation by its manufacturers.
Where's that shale gas!The figures – released by RenewableUK, the industry's trade body – include four deaths and a further 300 injuries to workers.
The scale of incidents – equivalent to almost one a day – emerges following the publication of dramatic photographs showing one turbine which had crashed to the ground in a field near a road and another exploding into flames, caused by 150mph winds which buffeted Scotland and northern England last week.
Charles Anglin, RenewableUK's director of communications, stressed that last week's incidents were caused by "freak weather". The organisation said that no member of the public had ever been hurt as a result of a wind turbine accident.
A dossier of incidents, compiled by a campaign group opposed to wind farms, includes cases where blades, each weighing as much as 14 tonnes, have sheared off and crashed to the ground.
Residents living near a wind farm have reported sheltering in their homes when lumps of ice were thrown from blades from a 410-ft high turbine near Peterborough, Cambridgeshire.
One manufacturer of wind turbines admitted one of its models had a defect – understood to be caused by a faulty braking system that meant the blades could fly off – that led to hundreds of turbines being ordered to be shut down in September by the Health and Safety Executive.
The company, Proven Energy Ltd, based in Scotland, went into receivership shortly after.
Blades attached to smaller domestic wind turbines have also become detached and hit buildings – in one case penetrating the roof of a cabin used as an office.
Campaigners claim that the incidents show that "some parts of the country are too windy for turbines". Most turbines automatically shut down when the wind speed rises above 56mph because at that speed they can become unsafe.
In September a blade flew off a wind turbine on the roof of a new car park at Lister hospital in Stevenage, Hertfordshire, hitting a staff member’s car.
Last year a 140-turbine wind farm near Glasgow was temporarily shut down after a 14-tonne fibreglass blade broke off in windy conditions and landed at the base of its tower.
Two years ago, a 50ft turbine collapsed in the playground of a school on the Island of Raasay off the coast of Scotland, and in the same year a blade on a 190 ft wind turbine in Rotherham owned by Sheffield University broke in strong winds, prompting an investigation by its manufacturers.
chris watton said:
Where's that shale gas!
I thought that when I read this in the first pieceTelegraph article said:
"Our policies are aimed at developing a mix of energy sources here in the UK rather than relying so much on expensive fossil fuel imports, so we can keep the lights on and cut emissions as old power stations close," he said.
We don't need to rely on "expensive fossil fuel imports", we have shale gas (and lots and lots of coal), and if we want expense, well then we have wind which isn't just expensive it's Humely expensive! (and just as useless).DieselGriff said:
We don't need to rely on "expensive fossil fuel imports", we have shale gas (and lots and lots of coal), and if we want expense, well then we have wind which isn't just expensive it's Humely expensive! (and just as useless).
Imagine if Cameron decided to open a few of the closed coal mines in the north and wales, whilst investing in nuclear and shale. He'd be in power for at least a decade - and the UK would be self reliant for energy once more. I don't know why he doesn't do this!chris watton said:
part of second link said:
a blade on a 190 ft wind turbine in Rotherham owned by Sheffield University broke in strong winds, prompting an investigation by its manufacturers.
Luckily, no cars or pedestrians were hit.
As I mentioned earlier, shouldn't those turbines on Liverpool docks be closed down? Cruise liner passengers queue up directly beneath them, together with cars, taxis and buses...
mybrainhurts said:
The blade broke off, was replaced...and broke off again. Now the University of Sheffield can't afford to fix it again.
Luckily, no cars or pedestrians were hit.
As I mentioned earlier, shouldn't those turbines on Liverpool docks be closed down? Cruise liner passengers queue up directly beneath them, together with cars, taxis and buses...
Surprised they've not be nicked by now!Luckily, no cars or pedestrians were hit.
As I mentioned earlier, shouldn't those turbines on Liverpool docks be closed down? Cruise liner passengers queue up directly beneath them, together with cars, taxis and buses...
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