Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.

Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.

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Blib

44,284 posts

198 months

Thursday 19th April 2012
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Me too.

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turbobloke

104,112 posts

261 months

Thursday 19th April 2012
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Europe Cold War Over Shale Gas as Green Campaigners Accuse Polish MEP Of-Anti-Russian Bias

The environmental group Food & Water Europe has accused the Polish author of a European Parliament report on shale gas extraction of resorting to "Cold War" rhetoric against Russia to support the industry's development. In a statement released on Monday, Food & Water Europe blasted the draft report by MEP Bogusław Sonik (European People's Party) on the environmental impacts of shale gas and shale oil extraction activities. Wenonah Hauter, executive director of Food & Water Europe, also accuses the report's author of anti-Russian bias.
EurActiv, 18 April 2012

The biggest risk for Russia is not the US shale gas but the potential of the development of similar reserves in neighbouring Bulgaria, Romania, Poland and Ukraine. Natural gas is one of the key economic engines of Russia. Could the boom in shale gas challenge the leadership of Russia in gas? Until now, Moscow and Gazprom have seemingly been nonchalant about the threat. But as the impact of the boom in US natural gas production becomes clear, depressing prices to levels not seen in 10 years and increasing the prospect of the country becoming an exporter, the Kremlin is beginning to pay attention.
Javier Blas, Financial Times, 19 April 2012

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Thursday 19th April 2012
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Oh, no.....someone save Russia

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mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Thursday 19th April 2012
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We've got our fair share of nutters, but the Yanks are way ahead of us...

>> wibble<<

powerstroke

10,283 posts

161 months

Thursday 19th April 2012
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Blib said:
Me too.

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Yes this ste was being pushed on R4 this morning the interviewer never once questioned the point of needing to capture carbon, maybe its important to slow plant growth down other wise maybe they turn into trifids or something ??? and we know that one ended silly

LongQ

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13,864 posts

234 months

Friday 20th April 2012
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mybrainhurts said:
Oh, no.....someone save Russia

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I'm sure China would like the gas if the western end of Europe has no immediate need for it.

Meanwhile I expect the plans for giant Solar farms in the nice stable states south of the Med. will be pushing ahead rapidly in order to ensure carbon free secure energy. Pity the French gave up their empire, it would have been so much easier to integrate North Africa into the EU if the empire still existed.

Blib

44,284 posts

198 months

Friday 20th April 2012
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Carbon free? Dread term.

turbobloke

104,112 posts

261 months

Friday 20th April 2012
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mybrainhurts said:
We've got our fair share of nutters, but the Yanks are way ahead of us...

>> wibble<<
wobble

Happy82

15,077 posts

170 months

Friday 20th April 2012
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turbobloke said:
mybrainhurts said:
We've got our fair share of nutters, but the Yanks are way ahead of us...

>> wibble<<
wobble
And I hope he has no objection to the warmists suffering the same fate as the thousands who will freeze to death as a result of their lies influencing energy policy.

Jinx

11,403 posts

261 months

Friday 20th April 2012
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Climate change affects women more than men

Climate change is a gender issue now according to a group of MEPs rofl

reductio ad absurdum

QED

Gene Vincent

4,002 posts

159 months

Friday 20th April 2012
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Jinx said:
Climate change affects women more than men

Climate change is a gender issue now according to a group of MEPs rofl

reductio ad absurdum

QED
MEP = 'Mental' European Parliament. (for clarity and future reference)

turbobloke

104,112 posts

261 months

Friday 20th April 2012
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Politicised climate ecoclaptrap moved beyond parody years ago, where is it now?!

AshVX220

5,929 posts

191 months

Friday 20th April 2012
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Jinx said:
Climate change affects women more than men

Climate change is a gender issue now according to a group of MEPs rofl

reductio ad absurdum

QED
The journalist who wrote that obviously know's what a steaming pile it is and that it's not going to be recieved well, they've haven't identified themselves and there's no comment section.

Anyone who thinks any of this has anything to do with science still really needs to get their head checked.

LongQ

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13,864 posts

234 months

Friday 20th April 2012
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Blib said:
Carbon free? Dread term.
And about as likely as the other supporting and justifying 'objectives' in the rest of the sentence! wink

kerplunk

7,076 posts

207 months

Friday 20th April 2012
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Jinx said:
Climate change affects women more than men

Climate change is a gender issue now according to a group of MEPs rofl

reductio ad absurdum

QED
wow triple value eye-rolling dollar!


Climate change
Feminism
MEP's

bargain! biggrin





nelly1

5,630 posts

232 months

Friday 20th April 2012
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stevejh said:
I'm sorry but this really makes my blood boil. Do they really believe that burying CO2 underground is going to make any difference to AGW (even if it were true).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1776...

Please make all this nonsense stop. It's doing my head in.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/environment/c02...

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nelly1

5,630 posts

232 months

Friday 20th April 2012
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Some promising news for Africa - 'Huge' water resource exists under Africa...



Article said:
"...our work shows that with careful exploring and construction, there is sufficient groundwater under Africa to support low yielding water supplies for drinking and community irrigation."

The scientists say that there are sufficient reserves to be able to cope with the vagaries of climate change.

"Even in the lowest storage aquifers in semi arid areas with currently very little rainfall, ground water is indicated to have a residence time in the ground of 20 to 70 years." Dr Bonsor said.

IainT

10,040 posts

239 months

Friday 20th April 2012
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Jinx said:
The argument seems to be that women deserve as much snout time in the trough as men which is hard to disagree with.

turbobloke

104,112 posts

261 months

Friday 20th April 2012
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"able to cope with the vagaries of climate change."

In the past few tens and hundreds of thousands of years, primitive humans and their equally primitive warmist counterparts in the modern era have actually managed quite well, given that species capable of adapting (as we are) tend to do OK, this should not be a surprise. The timescale involved has certainly seen natural climate change, as now.

On that basis it really does make you wonder how, in our recent and distant past, we managed to live long enough to feed and reproduce, without the IPCC in existence spouting climate bks on a regular basis.

No doubt lemonade fizz from us modern humans daring to keep warm and enjoy a higher quality of life than cave and tree dwellers is more dangerous than previously thought and we are at a tipping point of some kind.

rofl

turbobloke

104,112 posts

261 months

Friday 20th April 2012
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Political Climate Change In Europe

Conservatives in the European Parliament delivered a setback for European Commission plans to erase tax benefits for diesel fuel, saying that a period of austerity and high fuel costs is not the time for such moves. The vote also calls for changes to the Commission’s proposed minimum carbon tax on emissions from households, farms and the transport industry not already covered under the EU’s Emissions Trading System. The Parliament’s recommendations are non-binding. But they lay the groundwork for anticipated changes in the Council of Ministers, where Poland has already blocked moves to impose stronger emission-reductions obligations, and at a time when high fuel prices may tame the political appetite for higher taxes.
EurActiv, 20 April 2012

The European Commission has decided to carry out a full study into the impact of proposed fuel quality laws on business and markets, delaying until next year any ruling on how to rank the polluting effect of oil from tar sands, an EU official said. Ministers had been expected to vote on the regulations in June as part of EU efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. But the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said EU member states would not be asked to decide until early 2013 on the scheme, part of the EU's Fuel Quality Directive, which would rank tar sands oil as more polluting than other fuels. "We did not have a qualified majority against or in favour. We want to gain the support of those who are in doubt," the source said.
Barbara Lewis, Reuters, 20 April 2012

A European Commission plan to boost the carbon market is unfeasible and could bankrupt Polish companies, Poland's environment minister said on Thursday. European Climate Commissioner Connie Hedegaard announced a review of the auctioning profile for the EU's Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS), which could limit the number of allowances available and help tackle a glut that has kicked the market to record lows. EU ministers said there was widespread support for action, but Poland, which is heavily reliant on carbon-intensive coal is worried about the rising cost of offsetting emissions. Asked what impact the Commission's proposal would have on Poland, the nation's Environment Minister Marcin Korolec told Reuters: "Bankruptcy of companies."
John Acher, Reuters, 20 April 2012

There’s a large new row developing in British politics — with potential for another major row between Britain and the European Union. For the last few months the “Green Agenda” of the Coalition government has been unraveling for one reason after another. If shale gas can be “fracked” cheaply, then it will undercut such “renewables” as wind power, however heavily they are subsidized — and it will also undercut coal and nuclear power. This shift is very good for Britain, of course, but it cuts against some very large domestic vested interests — all the renewable companies, landowners who rent out their land for wind farms, the Green movement, and not least the ideological interests of one of the governing parties. So the shift is in its early stages, and it will be some time, maybe not until after the next election, that it is fully reflected in a rational British energy policy.
John O'Sullivan, National Review, 19 April 2012

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