Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.

[stevejh]

Blib said:

I recently saw Robin Ince, the presenter of "Infinite Monkey" at one if his gigs. He's not too enamoured by Climate Scepticism himself.

Wasn't it Ince who gave Johnny Ball such a hard time when he 'came out' as a Climate Sceptic at some shindig somewhere?

[rasto]

stevejh said:

Wasn't it Ince who gave Johnny Ball such a hard time when he 'came out' as a Climate Sceptic at some shindig somewhere?

There appears to be a 'club' of sceptic bashers, Robin Ince, Dara O'Brien and Tim Minchin being some of the chief members. It's a shame really because I enjoy a lot of their stuff. It reminds me a bit of the early 80s where a lot of the funny comedians where also raging lefties.

[Diderot]

rasto said:

There appears to be a 'club' of sceptic bashers, Robin Ince, Dara O'Brien and Tim Minchin being some of the chief members. It's a shame really because I enjoy a lot of their stuff. It reminds me a bit of the early 80s where a lot of the funny comedians where also raging lefties.

You can add Mucus Brigcock to that list too.

[Apache]

Diderot said:

rasto said:

There appears to be a 'club' of sceptic bashers, Robin Ince, Dara O'Brien and Tim Minchin being some of the chief members. It's a shame really because I enjoy a lot of their stuff. It reminds me a bit of the early 80s where a lot of the funny comedians where also raging lefties.

You can add Mucus Brigcock to that list too.

he said comedians

[stevejh]

rasto said:

stevejh said:

Wasn't it Ince who gave Johnny Ball such a hard time when he 'came out' as a Climate Sceptic at some shindig somewhere?

There appears to be a 'club' of sceptic bashers, Robin Ince, Dara O'Brien and Tim Minchin being some of the chief members. It's a shame really because I enjoy a lot of their stuff. It reminds me a bit of the early 80s where a lot of the funny comedians where also raging lefties.

Yeah it's so much better now that all the funny comedians are right wingers

[Einion Yrth]

Apache said:

Diderot said:

rasto said:

There appears to be a 'club' of sceptic bashers, Robin Ince, Dara O'Brien and Tim Minchin being some of the chief members. It's a shame really because I enjoy a lot of their stuff. It reminds me a bit of the early 80s where a lot of the funny comedians where also raging lefties.

You can add Mucus Brigcock to that list too.

he said comedians

He also said raging lefties. So at least half right.

[Diderot]

Einion Yrth said:

Apache said:

Diderot said:

rasto said:

There appears to be a 'club' of sceptic bashers, Robin Ince, Dara O'Brien and Tim Minchin being some of the chief members. It's a shame really because I enjoy a lot of their stuff. It reminds me a bit of the early 80s where a lot of the funny comedians where also raging lefties.

You can add Mucus Brigcock to that list too.

he said comedians

He also said raging lefties. So at least half right.

Too true on all s I mean counts.

[Jaged]

Jaged said:

Blib said:

Yep, shale gas is the future. Abundant, secure, easily obtained. A true no-brainer and a game changer too.

:Whisper: IGas shares are real cheap at the moment!

Did anyone buy on my tip? 47p up to 57p now! +20% not bad for less than a month?


BBC Pension fund!!! Are you listening???

[steveatesh]

This is scary stuff and worth a read - from Pointmans blog, credit to him for the research:

http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/theres...

We have resisted putting any of these bulbs into our house purely because they give ste light, but this adds even better reasons not to use them!

[turbobloke]

Great article and this will only add to existing problems revealed in research by Dr Jeff Llewellyn, Building Research Establishment, which showed that indoor air was ten times more polluted than city smog before ecobulbosity appeared.

There was a re-heat of some flawed research regurgitated recently - about air quality, pollution from combustion, and premature deaths. The methodology has to be seen to be believed. Not only do already seriously ill people often die outside of the timetable crystal-balled by medics, but they tend to be indoors for some considerable time before death. On that basis should research primarily consider outdoor pollution - NOx and PM10s mainly from public transport rather than cars - or indoor pollution when studying these 'premature deaths'...and is it, even then, solid science to focus on outdoor pollution purely because it exists and fills a gap?

This has shades of carbon dioxide and non-existent manmadeup warming: if certain individualsfail to consider the full range of solar forcings by looking only at irradiance while omitting solar eruptivity via the Svensmark and Bucha mechanisms, then the gap (which is effectively filled by eruptivity forcings) can conveniently be allocated to carbon dioxide, despite the lack of any credible observational evidence of causation.

[Lost_BMW]

Blib said:

I recently saw Robin Ince, the presenter of "Infinite Monkey" at one if his gigs. He's not too enamoured by Climate Scepticism himself.

Like his chum Brian Cocks Cox.


BTW - anyone else got this ad as the pop up mid page?



The irony! Turbines, terminally misplaced...

Edited by Lost_BMW on Sunday 22 April 22:27

[dickymint]

[Pesty]

I'm fked then I crushed on in my hand trying to screw it in

[loafer123]

Thankfully, these bulbs will be seen by history as a brief and toxic abberation.

The new SMD LED tech is massively better and dropping in price rapidly.

[IainT]

loafer123 said:

Thankfully, these bulbs will be seen by history as a brief and toxic abberation.

The new SMD LED tech is massively better and dropping in price rapidly.

...and the manufacturing process and chemicals involved are so much nicer!

While the incandecants are relatively energy inefficient they'll be seen as the lesser of many evils I think.

[rovermorris999]

IainT said:

While the incandecants are relatively energy inefficient they'll be seen as the lesser of many evils I think.

Inefficient if you consider the heat output wasted. For most of the year in this country the heat is welcome and offsets a little of the heat the central heating has to put out.

[mybrainhurts]

This ad appeared at the bottom of the page...http://www.greenpowersolutionsuk.co.uk/

So I inserted my post code, to see how rewarding it would be for me, and this came up...

Turbinista said:

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Then the bottom line loomed large...

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Dammit...

[Apache]

steveatesh said:

This is scary stuff and worth a read - from Pointmans blog, credit to him for the research:

http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/theres...

We have resisted putting any of these bulbs into our house purely because they give ste light, but this adds even better reasons not to use them!

HOLY st!

that is bloody worrying, if these things end up in landfill we are heading for a major upcock

[Pointman]

For once, a real eco disaster. The feedback I'm getting at my site, is that people aren't aware of how dangerous a broken CFL is. I have to admit, I didn't know that either before writing the article. As for mercury contamination at landfill sites, the environmental people at local government seem blissfully ignorant of the whole problem.

Pointman

[LongQ]

Apache said:

steveatesh said:

This is scary stuff and worth a read - from Pointmans blog, credit to him for the research:

http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/theres...

We have resisted putting any of these bulbs into our house purely because they give ste light, but this adds even better reasons not to use them!

HOLY st!

that is bloody worrying, if these things end up in landfill we are heading for a major upcock

Given that one could assume that within the next few years, as mandated by the EU, all light sources in a building are likely to be somewhat more toxic than anything much that has gone before - will the Fire Brigade still be allowed to fight fires? The risk of CFL sourced Mercury vapour in a fire must be significant surely? Or does it burn off rapidly and change into something else?

And to think that when I was a lad we used to play with Mercury in the science labs.