Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.
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In true tabloid style the Mail seems to have missed the more important point about the data. Temperatures did rise between 1997 and 2010, then fell sharply in the last 2 years, enough to neutralise the trend.
It seems like it goes in large unpredictable swings rather than a long predictable trend.
But credit where credit is due, at least they are now seeing and pointing out the holes in this epic scale fraud, and that is a step forward from 5 years ago when none of the mainstream media would.
It seems like it goes in large unpredictable swings rather than a long predictable trend.
But credit where credit is due, at least they are now seeing and pointing out the holes in this epic scale fraud, and that is a step forward from 5 years ago when none of the mainstream media would.
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Excellent read 
Blib said:
nelly1 said:
Gene Vincent said:
Fear not!With a bit of Media Spinning©, this story becomes a 'Grim Prediction'...
article said:
Ironically, this season has been one of the best for snow in years, but such good conditions are becoming the exception.
The morons are so brainwashed and in denial that they ignore the evidence staring them in the face. God, how dumb can one get?
Happy82 said:
Considering that a lot of these temperature stations are next to artificial heat sources (such as a heating vent, apartment blocks, airports etc IIRC from a few years back), does this mean that temperatures are probably dropping rather than rising / remaining stable?
That would be in line with predictions given the solar activity a few years ago.Lost_BMW said:
From there was an interesting list of windfarm accidents: http://www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk/fullaccidents....The death toll should be added to the list of fuel poverty deaths, and compared to the deaths caused by Global Warming - i.e. Zero.
Guam said:
kerplunk said:
Classic stuff from the met 
Love this bit
As we’ve stressed before, choosing a starting or end point on short-term scales can be very misleading. Climate change can only be detected from multi-decadal timescales due to the inherent variability in the climate system. If you use a longer period from HadCRUT4 the trend looks very different. For example, 1979 to 2011 shows 0.16°C/decade (or 0.15°C/decade in the NCDC dataset, 0.16°C/decade in GISS). Looking at successive decades over this period, each decade was warmer than the previous – so the 1990s were warmer than the 1980s, and the 2000s were warmer than both. Eight of the top ten warmest years have occurred in the last decade.
Maybe they should tell just about everyone on the Ecoloon side that snippet!
"Cherrypicking" has been done to death by the Pro AGW Brigade, indeed years ago we had extensive debates on just that point on here.
We heard the same stuff when Phil Jones let it slip out <furiously walked back by the "industry" now we hear the same again.
In another four years <we commented at the 12 year mark IIRC> they will make the same point if it remains the same.
Indeed I reckon before they accept their "view" is screwed we will all be in the ground.
You see the Mean is acceptable when it works for them, when it doesnt lets pick out some outlier Temps and throw them in to the discussion.
Too funny.
Readers may recall my mention of writing to Owen Paterson to encourage his attempts to shift govt. energy policy from the current Huhne/Davey madness.
His ppa has replied (below) and states that he would like to meet to discuss the issues. I can't make it and wondered if anyone here - better placed/informed than me too! - who wants to (maybe) influence policy might like to take my place? I was thinking perhaps of TB? Or Kerplunk...
.... only joking!
If so PM me and I'll try to organise something.
"Dear PH
Owen has asked me to thank you for your recent message. He would like to meet and wondered if you might be free to come to do so when he is next in Market Drayton? Friday 23 November looks possible- could we arrange this?
Rose Paterson * Constituency Office *The Rt Hon Owen Paterson MP
MP for North Shropshire & Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
His ppa has replied (below) and states that he would like to meet to discuss the issues. I can't make it and wondered if anyone here - better placed/informed than me too! - who wants to (maybe) influence policy might like to take my place? I was thinking perhaps of TB? Or Kerplunk...
.... only joking!
If so PM me and I'll try to organise something.
"Dear PH
Owen has asked me to thank you for your recent message. He would like to meet and wondered if you might be free to come to do so when he is next in Market Drayton? Friday 23 November looks possible- could we arrange this?
Rose Paterson * Constituency Office *The Rt Hon Owen Paterson MP
MP for North Shropshire & Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
kerplunk said:
"Q.1 “First, please confirm that they do indeed reveal no warming trend since 1997.”The linear trend from August 1997 (in the middle of an exceptionally strong El Nino) to August 2012 (coming at the tail end of a double-dip La Nina) is about 0.03°C/decade, amounting to a temperature increase of 0.05°C over that period, but equally we could calculate the linear trend from 1999, during the subsequent La Nina, and show a more substantial warming"
Talking about hundredths of a degree!!!!! FFS!!!!!!!!!!!
dickymint said:
"Q.1 “First, please confirm that they do indeed reveal no warming trend since 1997.”
The linear trend from August 1997 (in the middle of an exceptionally strong El Nino) to August 2012 (coming at the tail end of a double-dip La Nina) is about 0.03°C/decade, amounting to a temperature increase of 0.05°C over that period, but equally we could calculate the linear trend from 1999, during the subsequent La Nina, and show a more substantial warming"
Talking about hundredths of a degree!!!!! FFS!!!!!!!!!!!
Indeed. I'd ask them how accurate the measurements are. Show me the error bars!The linear trend from August 1997 (in the middle of an exceptionally strong El Nino) to August 2012 (coming at the tail end of a double-dip La Nina) is about 0.03°C/decade, amounting to a temperature increase of 0.05°C over that period, but equally we could calculate the linear trend from 1999, during the subsequent La Nina, and show a more substantial warming"
Talking about hundredths of a degree!!!!! FFS!!!!!!!!!!!
rovermorris999 said:
dickymint said:
"Q.1 “First, please confirm that they do indeed reveal no warming trend since 1997.”
The linear trend from August 1997 (in the middle of an exceptionally strong El Nino) to August 2012 (coming at the tail end of a double-dip La Nina) is about 0.03°C/decade, amounting to a temperature increase of 0.05°C over that period, but equally we could calculate the linear trend from 1999, during the subsequent La Nina, and show a more substantial warming"
Talking about hundredths of a degree!!!!! FFS!!!!!!!!!!!
Indeed. I'd ask them how accurate the measurements are. Show me the error bars!The linear trend from August 1997 (in the middle of an exceptionally strong El Nino) to August 2012 (coming at the tail end of a double-dip La Nina) is about 0.03°C/decade, amounting to a temperature increase of 0.05°C over that period, but equally we could calculate the linear trend from 1999, during the subsequent La Nina, and show a more substantial warming"
Talking about hundredths of a degree!!!!! FFS!!!!!!!!!!!
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