Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.

[turbobloke]

Interesting that it took two attempts for Parncutt to see sense.

[Globs]

turbobloke said:

Interesting that it took two attempts for Parncutt to see sense.

I expect it took two letters for him to speak to his lawyer...

[Jasandjules]

mybrainhurts said:

Monckton gets an unconditional apology and withdrawal of call for death penalty for climate sceptics from nutty Austrian Professor Richard Parncutt.

Austria seems to be developing a habit of throwing up a merchant of death with succeeding generations...

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/12/parncutt-death-th...

Should have just got the pri**k jailed.

[turbobloke]

"Any kind of tax on energy, indeed any policy that raises the cost of energy, is one of the most regressive taxes known to man. It crushes those at the lowest end of the scale, and the worst part is, there is no relief at the bottom. You know how with income tax, if you make below a certain limit, you pay no tax at all? If you are below the threshold, you are exempt from income tax."

"But energy price increases such as carbon taxes don’t even have that relief. They hit harder the further you go down the economic ladder, all the way down to rock bottom, hitting the very poorest the hardest of all."

Energy Cost and Human Cost

[mybrainhurts]

...I know someone whose central heating broke three years ago. He hasn't fixed it because he knows he can't afford to run it. The policies that put him in this position are a bloody disgrace.

How does one go about getting politicians convicted of treason?

[hidetheelephants]

Do we have class action in the UK? How about a class action by every pensioner in the UK against whichever braindead apparatchik it is that signed off on the carbon tax bks? If not I'm sure a smart bloodsucker lawyer could ginger up a case against carbon taxes and the renewables levy under the Aarhus convention, on the grounds neither is actually saving the planet or fluffy animals.

[LostBMW]

mybrainhurts said:

...I know someone whose central heating broke three years ago. He hasn't fixed it because he knows he can't afford to run it. The policies that put him in this position are a bloody disgrace.

How does one go about getting politicians convicted of treason?

I think you need a Co-op.


Sorry, coup - that should be coup...

[turbobloke]

Russia Abandons Kyoto

Moscow won’t join the second phase of the Kyoto Protocol, which starts on January 1st 2013. Russia decided to discontinue its participation in the protocol because the world’s major producers of greenhouse gases – the United States, China and India – are still refusing to commit themselves to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
Voice of Russia, 31 December 2012

[chris watton]

turbobloke said:

Russia Abandons Kyoto

Moscow won’t join the second phase of the Kyoto Protocol, which starts on January 1st 2013. Russia decided to discontinue its participation in the protocol because the world’s major producers of greenhouse gases – the United States, China and India – are still refusing to commit themselves to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
Voice of Russia, 31 December 2012

Cool!

When it comes to 'important' stuff like this - GLOBAL warming, what good is any treaty if the world's largest nations see through the bullst and won't play anymore?

Perhaps KP and other orcs ought to go over and have a word - although he'll probably just bore them to death like on here.......

[Art0ir]

chris watton said:

Perhaps KP and other orcs ought to go over and have a word - although he'll probably just bore them to death like on here.......

Putin would have him shot. He'd have him mauled by a bear, then shot. Then dumped in an oil barrel to be sent to Al Gore to run his private jet.

[IainT]

I see that Watts has decided to abandon reasoned journalism just to have a poke at Gore. Shame as his standards are usually much better.

[turbobloke]

Minister for Government Policy Oliver Letwin Concedes Defeat

Nigel Lawson Wins Climate Policy Bet

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Oliver Letwin, David Cameron’s chief policy adviser, has conceded defeat in a £100 climate policy bet with Nigel Lawson which they had agreed four and a half years ago.

Towards the end of a climate debate between the two Conservative heavy-weights in the July 2008 issue of Standpoint, the following exchange took place:

• Oliver Letwin: Nigel can’t know whether there is going to be a successor to Kyoto.

• Nigel Lawson: Well, look, there’ll be an international agreement in the sense that there will be platitudes. The acid test is: will there be an agreement to have binding cutbacks for all participants on their carbon emissions? Instead of arguing about it, we could have a wager on it.

• Oliver Lewtin: I’d be very happy to have a wager, and I offer you a £100 bet that before either of us is dead, whichever is the first — our estates can pay — we will see a very substantial agreement on carbon reduction.

• Nigel Lawson: But I don’t think I want the bet to be “in my lifetime” because I’d like to get the £100. I’m sorry it’s such a modest amount you’re prepared to wager — it shows how unconfident you are — but I would like to be able to collect before I die. So I think we should say “by the time Kyoto runs out”, because there is meant to be no hiatus; there is meant to be a successor to Kyoto. So “by 2012 we will have the agreement” — maybe I’ll die before then, of course — but 2012 is the acid test.

• Oliver Letwin: On the same basis, Nigel, I’m perfectly willing to take that bet too. The reason I’m willing to take the bet is that I know that the only way it can be made to happen is if we try to make it happen and if we build up the moral authority to make it happen by taking the steps ourselves.

The original Kyoto agreement which set binding CO2 emissions targets for 37 developed nations only ran out on the 31st of December 2012. There has been no new international agreement on CO2 emissions reduction, let alone a ‘substantial’ one. In the meantime, Canada, Russia and New Zealand have officially abandoned the Kyoto Protocol while Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan have threatened to abandon it as well.

Oliver Letwin has now conceded that Lawson has won the bet.

• Lord Lawson comments: “I made the bet because I knew I would win. It has always been blindingly obvious that the positions of Europe, the United States and China were much too far apart for a truly global successor to Kyoto to be negotiable. Oliver Letwin is one of the nicest people in politics, and one of the cleverest. It is, however, disconcerting that UK climate change policy - which makes no conceivable sense in the absence of a binding global agreement – has been based on the advice of someone so totally divorced from any understanding of practical realities.”

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Add Canada and Russia surely?

Total separation of climate policy from reality is indeed where we're at, thanks to those 'clever' people who are so totally off piste on this topic.

[Diderot]

IainT said:

I see that Watts has decided to abandon reasoned journalism just to have a poke at Gore. Shame as his standards are usually much better.

Well it's all over the internet and from any reasonable perspective, surely reeks of hypocrisy (from Gore) on a grand scale?

[IainT]

Diderot said:

IainT said:

I see that Watts has decided to abandon reasoned journalism just to have a poke at Gore. Shame as his standards are usually much better.

Well it's all over the internet and from any reasonable perspective, surely reeks of hypocrisy (from Gore) on a grand scale?

I have no issue with pointing out the hypocrisy of the 'big oil' angle however the overall article comes across as a smear - a large part of the tone is about how evil Al Jazeera is and how un-American the sale is. Plus Gore isn't the founder of the Station nor does he own the majority share or, one would assume, have much of a say in the sale.

The article stoops to the level of warmists and I expect better from leading sensibleists like Watts.

[LostBMW]

"Oliver Letwin: On the same basis, Nigel, I’m perfectly willing to take that bet too. The reason I’m willing to take the bet is that I know that the only way it can be made to happen is if we try to make it happen and if we build up the moral authority to make it happen by taking the steps ourselves.

and here we have - from one of Call Me Clown's policy advisers the proof of what several of us have been saying for years, viz our expensive and pointless public posturing; a pathetic and futile attempt to build a moral guardianship of the world and to keep the UK - that their own policies risk diminishing ever further - up there at one of the supposed high tables of world influence meddling.


And the likely result? Summed up perfectly again...

"Lord Lawson comments: Oliver Letwin is one of the nicest people in politics, and one of the cleverest. It is, however, disconcerting that UK climate change policy - which makes no conceivable sense in the absence of a binding global agreement – has been based on the advice of someone so totally divorced from any understanding of practical realities.”

[mybrainhurts]

IainT said:

I see that Watts has decided to abandon reasoned journalism just to have a poke at Gore. Shame as his standards are usually much better.

I take your point, but Gore is so far beyond redemption that anything chucked at him is fair game. I wouldn't do it to my own worst enemy, but I'd gladly pay scabby Norah to give him a big hug...


Edit...

Another $100,000,000 for Fat Albert. The trough is more important than the planet, it seems.

Edited by mybrainhurts on Thursday 3rd January 16:02

[nelly1]

Just watched Channel 4 News' report on '2012 being the year we all started taking notice of Man Made Global Warming', as it was OFFICIALLY the second wettest year ever!

In the UK.

In records that stretch all the way back to 1910!

We had a terrible drought (proof of rainfall being a thing of the past), before the wettest Summer in 100 years (see, just what we said...er...) and biblical floods (followed by a couple of interviews with a vicar and a publican in wellies who both said along the lines of "Meh! Weather's weather isn't it?").

Such a load of biased claptrap I haven't witnessed since the last BBC 'special'

[LongQ]

nelly1 said:

Just watched Channel 4 News' report on '2012 being the year we all started taking notice of Man Made Global Warming', as it was OFFICIALLY the second wettest year ever!

In the UK.

In records that stretch all the way back to 1910!

We had a terrible drought (proof of rainfall being a thing of the past), before the wettest Summer in 100 years (see, just what we said...er...) and biblical floods (followed by a couple of interviews with a vicar and a publican in wellies who both said along the lines of "Meh! Weather's weather isn't it?").

Such a load of biased claptrap I haven't witnessed since the last BBC 'special'

The Met seem to have turned into gardeners and are promising the end of classic lawns. No big surprise - there are few lawns left anyway - might explain some of the extent of the flooding.

Anyway, Slingo seems to have decided that wet summers are the norm from now on. So we'll be back to drought this year I expect.

[deeps]

Yeah 'The message' has been playing everywhere so far this year.

Local news is all about record rainfall and flooding, implying MMGW CC of course.

Even Mastermind tonight had a BBC weatherman in the chair, and a prime time opportunity not to be missed, spouted how the weather has changed over the last 2 decades due to MMGW, and we should expect wet summers and possibly cold winters from now on!

Quite how they keep a straight face is beyond me! Only 10 years ago the same 'experts' were forecasting warm dry summers and mild wet winters. Shameless tts!

[Jasandjules]

deeps said:

Even Mastermind tonight had a BBC weatherman in the chair, and a prime time opportunity not to be missed, spouted how the weather has changed over the last 2 decades due to MMGW, and we should expect wet summers and possibly cold winters from now on!

Quite how they keep a straight face is beyond me! Only 10 years ago the same 'experts' were forecasting warm dry summers and mild wet winters. Shameless tts!

LOL I saw that and said the same thing.

I also don't recall it being called Global Colder but Wetter either....