Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.
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The Don of Croy said:
Over the weekend I heard some very brief mention (possibly on the beeb radio) of record low temps in China and India.
Ignoring the more obvious point (increased emissions there must equal higher temps - oops, reality on the blink again) has anyone else seen this or know more about it?
You want the MSM to report about weather around the world when they have Camoron threatening to actually getting around to giving an "important" speech about "Europe" any year now? And Celeb Big Brother too? And the police do research on any former TV or Radio presenters over the age of 65 in case they can find a aging groupie regretting their past and who had once been in the same studio as the person who "worked" for the same organisation as Savile?Ignoring the more obvious point (increased emissions there must equal higher temps - oops, reality on the blink again) has anyone else seen this or know more about it?
Good lord!
For an overview with links try here.
China, India and Alaska mentioned.
Edited by LongQ on Monday 7th January 18:10
LongQ said:
Thanks for that.I particularly like the EUReferndum's strap line 'To discuss issues related to the UK's position in Europe and the World' overlaid with an image of a Hawker Typhoon in D-Day markings, replete with tank-busting rocket launchers...as they say in Ulster (probably) symbols are important.
GWPF has a lesson for Mystic Met.
The UK Met Office has revised its global temperature predictions as a result of a new version of its climate model and climate simulations using it. It now believes that global temperatures up to 2017 will most likely be 0.43 deg C above the 1971 -2000 average, with an error of +/- 0.15 deg C. In reality this is a forecast of no increase in global temperatures above current levels. If the latest Met Office prediction is correct, and it accords far more closely with the observed data than previous predictions, then it will prove to be a lesson in humility. It will show that the previous predictions that were given so confidently as advice to the UK government and so unquestioningly accepted by the media, were wrong, and that the so-called sceptics who were derided for questioning them were actually on the right track.
David Whitehouse, The Global Warming Policy Foundation, 07 January 2013
UKMO has been an advocacy outfit for some time now. BBQ summers...
Let's see how they get on and how carbon dioxide's holiday is explained away.
The UK Met Office has revised its global temperature predictions as a result of a new version of its climate model and climate simulations using it. It now believes that global temperatures up to 2017 will most likely be 0.43 deg C above the 1971 -2000 average, with an error of +/- 0.15 deg C. In reality this is a forecast of no increase in global temperatures above current levels. If the latest Met Office prediction is correct, and it accords far more closely with the observed data than previous predictions, then it will prove to be a lesson in humility. It will show that the previous predictions that were given so confidently as advice to the UK government and so unquestioningly accepted by the media, were wrong, and that the so-called sceptics who were derided for questioning them were actually on the right track.
David Whitehouse, The Global Warming Policy Foundation, 07 January 2013
UKMO has been an advocacy outfit for some time now. BBQ summers...
Let's see how they get on and how carbon dioxide's holiday is explained away.
The Don of Croy said:
Thanks for that.
I particularly like the EUReferndum's strap line 'To discuss issues related to the UK's position in Europe and the World' overlaid with an image of a Hawker Typhoon in D-Day markings, replete with tank-busting rocket launchers...as they say in Ulster (probably) symbols are important.
Originally it was a image of the current Typhoon but was changed with some specific reference - I think it coincided with 70 years after the Battle of Britain (allegedly) and was originally a Hurricane or Spitfire to replace the EUrofighter but that was changed to a Typhoon for naming continuity - or irony. Or both. Something like that.I particularly like the EUReferndum's strap line 'To discuss issues related to the UK's position in Europe and the World' overlaid with an image of a Hawker Typhoon in D-Day markings, replete with tank-busting rocket launchers...as they say in Ulster (probably) symbols are important.
Edited by LongQ on Monday 7th January 19:44
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2257995/Tr...
Frozen sea:
China joined the big freeze in November, so the tally is:
Turkey
Russia
Eastern europe
China
The US
Alaska
and next week to be joined by the UK and possibly northern europe too.
The liars peddling their warming scam are going to meet considerable scepticism this winter.
Frozen sea:
China joined the big freeze in November, so the tally is:
Turkey
Russia
Eastern europe
China
The US
Alaska
and next week to be joined by the UK and possibly northern europe too.
The liars peddling their warming scam are going to meet considerable scepticism this winter.
Globs said:
The liars peddling their warming scam are going to meet considerable scepticism this winter.
Nah you see they have no shame at all. Just the other night I saw a BBC weather presenter actually say that colder winters accords with Global Warming...Now, whether the population tells them enough is enough is a different matter and I sure hope they do!
Jasandjules said:
Nah you see they have no shame at all. Just the other night I saw a BBC weather presenter actually say that colder winters accords with Global Warming...
Now, whether the population tells them enough is enough is a different matter and I sure hope they do!
I think their argument is that global warming makes weather unpredictable, so if their predictions are wrong, that proves they are right.Now, whether the population tells them enough is enough is a different matter and I sure hope they do!
Listening to Radio 4's Today prog this am, the science editor (aka Global-Warming-Fluffer) explained - without any questioning - that we're still in a period of long term warming, even if it's not happening (or even getting colder). He also made good use of the phrase 'greenhouse gas'. Bless.
You see, it's a long term issue. How long? Well...
You see, it's a long term issue. How long? Well...
Sorry yes, it's obviously further signs of Global Warming and what's more, its worse than we thought!!
Just ask 26,000 freezing pensioners how they liked paying for our saviour, the wind subsidy farms, rather than that nasty polluting gas bill, giving their lives in the brave and plucky fight of the inept against the evil CO2.
Just ask 26,000 freezing pensioners how they liked paying for our saviour, the wind subsidy farms, rather than that nasty polluting gas bill, giving their lives in the brave and plucky fight of the inept against the evil CO2.
The Don of Croy said:
Listening to Radio 4's Today prog this am, the science editor (aka Global-Warming-Fluffer) explained - without any questioning - that we're still in a period of long term warming, even if it's not happening (or even getting colder). He also made good use of the phrase 'greenhouse gas'. Bless.
You see, it's a long term issue. How long? Well...
Best of all did you note the "mainstream climate scientists agree that..." he threw in so casually. As if! You see, it's a long term issue. How long? Well...
Knowing Harrabin's form that was very deliberately inserted as just yet another "most of us (warmists) are right, the others are fringe" lines. Very subtle but very effective in the impact it potentially has on the general listener and their view of which camp has the most authority.
Pesty said:
BBC news just now.
"global warming is a long term thing and is not going to go away"
They just have to get back on message don't they the minute something is released that goes against their agenda.
Yep, the lying scumbag Shatman was on, complete with a scorched earth and burning sun graphic, admitting that Mystic Met has been forced to revise its doomsday predicitons by almost half. Why is that? Oh yes, because for the past 16 years, there hasn't been any fecking warming. Yet the populace has been made to pony up through energy bills, "global warming is a long term thing and is not going to go away"
They just have to get back on message don't they the minute something is released that goes against their agenda.
cil tax, VED to save the planet from ... Diderot said:
Pesty said:
BBC news just now.
"global warming is a long term thing and is not going to go away"
They just have to get back on message don't they the minute something is released that goes against their agenda.
Yep, the lying scumbag Shatman was on, complete with a scorched earth and burning sun graphic, admitting that Mystic Met has been forced to revise its doomsday predicitons by almost half. Why is that? Oh yes, because for the past 16 years, there hasn't been any fecking warming. Yet the populace has been made to pony up through energy bills, "global warming is a long term thing and is not going to go away"
They just have to get back on message don't they the minute something is released that goes against their agenda.
cil tax, VED to save the planet from ... Blib said:
http://tomnelson.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/new-pravda...
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/04-01-...
An interesting perspective! http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/04-01-...
PRAVDA article 4/1/13 said:
Global warming, the tool of the West
For years, the Elites of the West have cranked up the myth of Man Made Global Warming as a means first and foremost to control the lives and behaviors of their populations. Knowing full well that their produce in China and sell in the West model and its consiquent spiral downward in wages and thus standards of living, was unsustainable, the elites moved to use this new "science" to guilt trip and scare monger their populations into smaller and more conservatives forms of living. In other words, they coasted them into the poverty that the greed and treason of those said same elites was already creating in their native lands.
What better way to staunch protests at worsening economic and life conditions than to make it feel like an honourable job/duty of the people to save "Gia". At the same time, they used this "science" as a new pagan religion to further push out the Christianity they hate and despise and most of all, fear? Gia worship, the earth "mother", has been pushed in popular culture oozing out of the West for a better part of the past 1.5 decades. This is a religion replete with an army of priests, called Government Grant Scientists.
For years, the Elites of the West have cranked up the myth of Man Made Global Warming as a means first and foremost to control the lives and behaviors of their populations. Knowing full well that their produce in China and sell in the West model and its consiquent spiral downward in wages and thus standards of living, was unsustainable, the elites moved to use this new "science" to guilt trip and scare monger their populations into smaller and more conservatives forms of living. In other words, they coasted them into the poverty that the greed and treason of those said same elites was already creating in their native lands.
What better way to staunch protests at worsening economic and life conditions than to make it feel like an honourable job/duty of the people to save "Gia". At the same time, they used this "science" as a new pagan religion to further push out the Christianity they hate and despise and most of all, fear? Gia worship, the earth "mother", has been pushed in popular culture oozing out of the West for a better part of the past 1.5 decades. This is a religion replete with an army of priests, called Government Grant Scientists.
Article said:
Various groups have fought back. This is including Russian hackers, who published a huge database of UK government, scientific and university emails depicting the fixing of data to sell Global Warming, er Climate Change (as if it never changed on its own). And while taking hit after hit, the beast, like Al Quida, will not die. As a matter of fact, the beast is on a steady come back, as it is quite useful during the down times recession. The US alone spends $7 billion each year on warming "studies", which is, in truth, nothing but a huge money laundering operation, as no real science is conducted and vapid alarmist reports the only product generated.
Amongst the newest claims of pending disasters, is a cry that icepacks are now melting at three times the rate of the 1990s, even though there has not been any significant warming in the past 20 years. Greenland's icepack melt off, has been linked to volcanic activity under the ice, heating it. Must be the magmamen and their SUVs. These facts, however, do not faze the Gia crowd and their Elite/Governmental backers. The fact that a super storm hit the NE US is also being played as evidence of GW. Thank God that before GW no such things ever happened. How are they to explain that Russia and Eastern Europe are projected to have the coldest winter in 20 years? Oh, but I doubt my Western readers are even aware of that.
Now, with their economies in a spiral of debt laden, non-manufacturing recession (if not out and out depression), the Elites, who sense they are loosing their grip or toe hold on key economic regions outside their home regions, are once again calling out their inquisitors of Global Warming and sending them towards the developing world.
The first salvo has been fired by a British Warming dandy named Lord Nicholas Stern of Brentford, who as an academic at Whitehall, has made a career and quite a bit of money off of this scam. Lord Stern, a former World Bank chief economist and author of the landmark Stern review of the economics of climate change, was a close associate of Gordon Brown and the Leftists, who with the Tory counterparts and in parallel to the American Democrats/Republicans set up the grand and self destructive economic schemes that have plunged their own nations and many many others into the abyss of poverty.
The good Lord Stern, in commentary on why countries such as Russia, China, India and Brazil, in other words, the BRICs, have to pony up cash and depress their own growth, made this statement for the Guardian paper: "It's a brutal arithmetic - the changing structure of the world's economy has been dramatic. That is something developing countries will have to face up to,"
His premiss is that even if you take out the deindustrialized West, run away Global Warming will not stop due to the industrialized world. Its now all the fault of those raising themselves up for the destruction of the world, from the phantom joke of GW. Lord Stern tried to assure that the opening salvo was not a salvo, by stating: "I am not pointing the finger at the developing world, just looking at what is necessary. I am not accusing or proposing, just calculating what is needed [to meet scientific estimates of the emissions cuts needed to avoid dangerous levels of climate change]". More like a calculated accusation. After all, this is not some light weight of the GIA cult, but the movement's chief economist who enjoyed the ear of the UK government: a perfect tool of the Western Elites.
Expect the cries to get louder and more shrill in the months to follow.
Amongst the newest claims of pending disasters, is a cry that icepacks are now melting at three times the rate of the 1990s, even though there has not been any significant warming in the past 20 years. Greenland's icepack melt off, has been linked to volcanic activity under the ice, heating it. Must be the magmamen and their SUVs. These facts, however, do not faze the Gia crowd and their Elite/Governmental backers. The fact that a super storm hit the NE US is also being played as evidence of GW. Thank God that before GW no such things ever happened. How are they to explain that Russia and Eastern Europe are projected to have the coldest winter in 20 years? Oh, but I doubt my Western readers are even aware of that.
Now, with their economies in a spiral of debt laden, non-manufacturing recession (if not out and out depression), the Elites, who sense they are loosing their grip or toe hold on key economic regions outside their home regions, are once again calling out their inquisitors of Global Warming and sending them towards the developing world.
The first salvo has been fired by a British Warming dandy named Lord Nicholas Stern of Brentford, who as an academic at Whitehall, has made a career and quite a bit of money off of this scam. Lord Stern, a former World Bank chief economist and author of the landmark Stern review of the economics of climate change, was a close associate of Gordon Brown and the Leftists, who with the Tory counterparts and in parallel to the American Democrats/Republicans set up the grand and self destructive economic schemes that have plunged their own nations and many many others into the abyss of poverty.
The good Lord Stern, in commentary on why countries such as Russia, China, India and Brazil, in other words, the BRICs, have to pony up cash and depress their own growth, made this statement for the Guardian paper: "It's a brutal arithmetic - the changing structure of the world's economy has been dramatic. That is something developing countries will have to face up to,"
His premiss is that even if you take out the deindustrialized West, run away Global Warming will not stop due to the industrialized world. Its now all the fault of those raising themselves up for the destruction of the world, from the phantom joke of GW. Lord Stern tried to assure that the opening salvo was not a salvo, by stating: "I am not pointing the finger at the developing world, just looking at what is necessary. I am not accusing or proposing, just calculating what is needed [to meet scientific estimates of the emissions cuts needed to avoid dangerous levels of climate change]". More like a calculated accusation. After all, this is not some light weight of the GIA cult, but the movement's chief economist who enjoyed the ear of the UK government: a perfect tool of the Western Elites.
Expect the cries to get louder and more shrill in the months to follow.
Edited by Blib on Sunday 6th January 17:08
Guam said:
Ahahaha no really 
http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/current_s...
That is an interview with Al gores former staffers following the sale to the emir.
Ahahaha.
There are few people in this world more despicable than Fat Albert.http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/current_s...
That is an interview with Al gores former staffers following the sale to the emir.
Ahahaha.
I have this vision of his little abandoned band tracking him down, tying him up and tickling him to death...
Which is nice...
jurbie said:
Have Mystic Met worked out that everytime they say something the complete opposite happens so they are now pinning their hopes on reverse psychology to get the climate to do what they want it to do?
Joking aside, they really could not have done any worse than they have, what an absolute shambles every prediction has turned out to be! The great climate computer modeling era has demonstrated a near perfect example of GIGO!
The scary thing is, had we actually had a 'barbecue summer' or 'mild wet winter' or 'no more snow in the UK' or etc etc, the so called scientists would have accepted and treated that as proof of their predictions, rather than the reality of short term coincidence. We only have luck to thank that it didn't happen that way short term, of course long term the nonsense hasn't got a leg to stand on, but that's only because of the scrutiny given to the nonsense by realists, without them the gravy train may well have gotten away with falsifying temperature data for decades to come.
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