Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.

[turbobloke]

EPA Goes 'Bunker’ Over Growing Richard Windsor Scandal
by
Brian McNicoll

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/14/update-on-ri...

EPA would rather fight than snitch. Instructively, in EPA’s view, tempting Congress, the court and public opinion risks less fallout than revealing “Richard Windsor’s” correspondence. This is both deeply distressing and entirely consistent with its approach throughout. But then again, frankly, what did you expect from a gang caught using false identity for federal record-keeping purposes? To just say ‘you caught me; now I’ll come clean?’

Tut Tut. Thank goodness our own august institutions are beyond reproach.



From a comment on the EPA: "So, nail them on contempt of court. ASAP. Friendly recommendation from one lawyer to another."

[Diderot]

And there was me thinking that wood was a renewable ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2103...

[odyssey2200]

Diderot said:

And there was me thinking that wood was a renewable ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2103...

I read the headline and my immediate response was

:banghead! OH! fk OFF!!

they just squirm from one thing to the next to try to kick the can a little further down the road.

[mybrainhurts]

odyssey2200 said:

Diderot said:

And there was me thinking that wood was a renewable ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2103...

I read the headline and my immediate response was

:banghead! OH! fk OFF!!

they just squirm from one thing to the next to try to kick the can a little further down the road.

Beeb said:

Matt McGrath
Environment correspondent, BBC News

Another Purveyor of Pure bks in the BBC?

Don't they have too many already..?

[don4l]

mybrainhurts said:

Another Purveyor of Pure bks in the BBC?

Don't they have too many already..?

To be fair, the BBC website has had very little CAGW nonsense since Richard Black's departure.

I suspect that Shuckman knows which way the wind is blowing.


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[skyrover]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2103...

So... now that everyone has been forced into low Co2 emitting diesel engines, soot is the new big bad pollutant for the climate.

Only... soot has always been worse for the environment, especially us humans.

[chris watton]

skyrover said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2103...

So... now that everyone has been forced into low Co2 emitting diesel engines, soot is the new big bad pollutant for the climate.

Only... soot has always been worse for the environment, especially us humans.

That's why gas and electricity was seen as a huge leap forward! You couldn't make it up, could you!

[LongQ]

Not new news (to us) but the wider the reporting the better and it's good to have a record of it

Even MPs now know that the cost of contracts to connect offshore wind to somewhere that needs it is verging on fraudulent

[turbobloke]

kerching hug a carbon trading money tree

[Oakey]

Speaking of soot. I looked out the window this morning to see something I'd not seen since I was a kid in the mid-80s; the coal man delivering coal to a neighbour across the road. I assume he must have had a wood burner installed. My girlfriends parents also had a wood burner installed last year but they get free wood from her uncle although I do know they've been considering coal as well as it lasts longer. We really have gone full circle.

[turbobloke]

Oakey said:

Speaking of soot. I looked out the window this morning to see something I'd not seen since I was a kid in the mid-80s; the coal man delivering coal to a neighbour across the road. I assume he must have had a wood burner installed. My girlfriends parents also had a wood burner installed last year but they get free wood from her uncle although I do know they've been considering coal as well as it lasts longer. We really have gone full circle.

Indeed. In some ways it's not all bad but the generally chaotic, uneconomic, unhelpful and even lethal mixture of madness and muppetry we see at the moment is what happens when the selective ear of incompetent politicians gets bent by the baseless ranting of misguided zealots.

[chris watton]

Oakey said:

Speaking of soot. I looked out the window this morning to see something I'd not seen since I was a kid in the mid-80s; the coal man delivering coal to a neighbour across the road. I assume he must have had a wood burner installed. My girlfriends parents also had a wood burner installed last year but they get free wood from her uncle although I do know they've been considering coal as well as it lasts longer. We really have gone full circle.

We are buying a wood burner too, to replace the gas fire in the living room.

Imagine if most of the country did this - there'd be massive shortages of wood - and imagine the smog! It would be like living in the 1800's - air-quality-wise!

We'll end up in a country where half of the land is covered with useless windmills, producing next to nothing, and the populace reverting back to fuels that were thought as dirty 200 years ago. Progress!

[The Don of Croy]

Oakey said:

Speaking of soot. I looked out the window this morning to see something I'd not seen since I was a kid in the mid-80s; the coal man delivering coal to a neighbour across the road. I assume he must have had a wood burner installed. My girlfriends parents also had a wood burner installed last year but they get free wood from her uncle although I do know they've been considering coal as well as it lasts longer. We really have gone full circle.

Yes - those were the days. Our coalman (this was up to 5 years back before the gas was connected) was in his sixties, still humping 25kg or 30kg sacks round the house to dump in the coal bin. What a tough job.

One of his ex-employees is living in sheltered housing down the road - off on disability allowance since before his 55 year. Has a pump implanted at waist level, delivers pain killer direct to his spine 24/7. They're increasing the dose incrementally as he gets older.

I like splitting logs - just one mistake though and it'd be time off work (splitting maul stylee). Luckily we have gas so at least I'd be warm...

Our modern energy rich lifestyle has a lot to commend it. Pity it costs so much - raping the earth etc.

[mybrainhurts]

chris watton said:

We are buying a wood burner too, to replace the gas fire in the living room.

Imagine if most of the country did this - there'd be massive shortages of wood -

Already happening. I heard of one County Council that's put out a warning to check if it's legal before you cut down that tree you're eyeing up.

A lot of trees are being chopped around reservoirs in my neck of the woods, in places where I've not seen felling in my lifetime.

[The Don of Croy]

mybrainhurts said:

Already happening. I heard of one County Council that's put out a warning to check if it's legal before you cut down that tree you're eyeing up.

A lot of trees are being chopped around reservoirs in my neck of the woods, in places where I've not seen felling in my lifetime.

You'd have thunk Network Rail would have found a way to put the wanters of wood together with their copious reserves of 'train-delaying-majikal-leaf-producers' that they cannot afford to maintain. Same for the electricity distributors who always find out too late that trees bring down power lines...

[Oakey]

mybrainhurts said:

Already happening. I heard of one County Council that's put out a warning to check if it's legal before you cut down that tree you're eyeing up.

A lot of trees are being chopped around reservoirs in my neck of the woods, in places where I've not seen felling in my lifetime.

Trees? Pffft, I've seen peoples entire fences slowly disappear over a period of time which I can only assume is by people stealing them and burning them for heat.

[Otispunkmeyer]

chris watton said:

Oakey said:

Speaking of soot. I looked out the window this morning to see something I'd not seen since I was a kid in the mid-80s; the coal man delivering coal to a neighbour across the road. I assume he must have had a wood burner installed. My girlfriends parents also had a wood burner installed last year but they get free wood from her uncle although I do know they've been considering coal as well as it lasts longer. We really have gone full circle.

We are buying a wood burner too, to replace the gas fire in the living room.

Imagine if most of the country did this - there'd be massive shortages of wood - and imagine the smog! It would be like living in the 1800's - air-quality-wise!

We'll end up in a country where half of the land is covered with useless windmills, producing next to nothing, and the populace reverting back to fuels that were thought as dirty 200 years ago. Progress!

Its already started then. The greens are getting what they want. First you regress back to cooking and heating with a wood fire instead of convenient gas and electric. Next you'll be in a mud hut lying on a hay bale with duvet made from leaves!!!

[turbobloke]

Otispunkmeyer said:

chris watton said:

Oakey said:

Speaking of soot. I looked out the window this morning to see something I'd not seen since I was a kid in the mid-80s; the coal man delivering coal to a neighbour across the road. I assume he must have had a wood burner installed. My girlfriends parents also had a wood burner installed last year but they get free wood from her uncle although I do know they've been considering coal as well as it lasts longer. We really have gone full circle.

We are buying a wood burner too, to replace the gas fire in the living room.

Imagine if most of the country did this - there'd be massive shortages of wood - and imagine the smog! It would be like living in the 1800's - air-quality-wise!

We'll end up in a country where half of the land is covered with useless windmills, producing next to nothing, and the populace reverting back to fuels that were thought as dirty 200 years ago. Progress!

Its already started then. The greens are getting what they want. First you regress back to cooking and heating with a wood fire instead of convenient gas and electric. Next you'll be in a mud hut lying on a hay bale with duvet made from leaves!!!

Econutters are very welcome to whatever daft lifestyle they choose.

The chances of it catching on widely are remote, though there are always some keen and very gullible people.

[turbobloke]

Email snip from an independent meteorologist concerning conversation with the mystic metters.

"One bit of news, the people in the (Met Office) library, bless them all, told me that they all have to go on a compulsory course to learn about climate change - as one of them put it so they all sing from the same hymn sheet. In reply I questioned if we all belonged to the same church. I got the impression that they thought it was a bit of an imposition. I also came away wondering what would happen if someone asked awkward questions about the science or psuedo science as I might call it. Good grief, what is it all coming to?"

Groupthink based on junk and gigo, and they've already arrived.

[turbobloke]

Did anybody see the BBC 'Polar Bear Family' broadcast? Did the presenter really say that arctic ice was "at its smallest extent for three million years"? Which would be a blatant lie of course.