Libya.

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petemurphy said:

so where is all this profit from iraq etc? I assume you mean the companies and select few make the profit not the tax payer?

Of course..

the blessed 'Tone


..thought the EU Middle East Peace Envoy has been quiet these last few weeks....maybe he has been lining up some "opportunities" in the backgroung

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g4ry13 said:

TeamD said:

g4ry13 said:

Not sure how credible the number is:

1234: Reuters reports a Libyan government health official as saying the number of Libyans killed by Western air strikes has risen to 64 after some of the wounded died.

Seems like we're doing quite well so far, we'll overtake Gaddafi's cronies very quickly.

Ah c'mon, what's the first thing you expected from them eh? Disinformation is a two way street.

Put it this way, they said they'd implemented a ceasefire, but you're quite happy to believe their propaganda in this respect?

Hence the first sentence: "Not sure how credible the number is I think it'd be very naive to think that a lot of civilians won't be getting killed in these attacks.

Especially if they are rounded up and chained to air defence radars.............

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Jasandjules said:

Mojocvh said:

So much for UK gov "managing" an important oil deal with this murderous, barbaric regime.

What do you expect?

In all honesty, what do you expect? We deal with China FFS, and will sell weapons to anyone who can pay, regardless of what oppression they inflict upon their own people.

Aparently no longer in CMD's "brave new UK".

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Riff Raff said:

cardigankid said:

Riff Raff said:

pacman1 said:

A very good piece in the Sunday Telegraph from General Lord Richard Dannatt (Chief of the General Staff, 2006-2009)

He covers a number of issues debated in this thread. A good read to those who are really interested.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaan...

Thanks for putting the link up. Interesting comments on the Harriers/Carriers.

Accurate as always. What use would Ark Royal have been? It would have taken days maybe weeks to get there, and when it was it would just have been one enormous great target. Then if Gaddafi had the modern equivalent of a couple of Exocet missiles there would have been no need to decommission it.

Terrible thing to say, but we'd then have had a matching pair on the bottom of the Med.

The 'Mericans are flying Harriers though off one of their Carriers off the Libyan coast, or so I think I read. Still, I guess they have a lot more options than we do.

Amazing how these defence chiefs always have the right idea AFTER they have got the pension sewn up. wasters the lot of them.

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Lakenheath?? Hope the crew are safe.

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Jimbeaux said:

A target how? A carrier would not be in range of an exocet IMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat

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Hmm, not too happy about these differing crew reports at all.

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hidetheelephants said:

Killed! To Death!!!!1111one!!1

I nearly busted a gut laughing at that; funniest thing on telly since Ghaddafi's PR dude(what's with the wacky facial hair? Is it compensation for going thin on top?) said that the NFZ bombing loyalist forces was 'immoral'. Presumably the Libyan Airforce bombing the Wowdy Webels is a devine mission from Allah(other dietys are available).

Worst faked civilian near-death experience from evil imperialist bombs EVAR.

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2011/03/26/robe...

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MX7 said:

grumbledoak said:

Jimbeaux said:

Excuse my profanity, but they need to make up their phucking mind.

Not averse to a bit of profanity (ever hit your thumb with a hammer?) so no excuses needed.

But it all depends how it gets portrayed and seen.

That's my point. No one, apart from Mermaid, has suggested that this has any religious connotations to it. If anything, it's about saving Muslims.

Yes, but what brand???

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Best "what do you want me to say next" pose.....

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bobbylondonuk said:

The real Apache said:

Mermaid said:

Puggit said:

The real Apache said:

anonymous said:

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I couldn't believe it when I heard that, people are losing their jobs, our armed forces are being decimated because we're skint.....yet, still, he gives our money away

To a nation which seems to prefer nuclear arms over educating its children...

Unelected Warsi (assume she is a Pakistani) has his ear, and his money.

indeed she is but why should she have his ear?

Let me take a wild guess....Tories want my brown vote too???

Buying loyalty, who would have thought it....

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anonymous said:

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And just wait until the bombs start going off at home.

Perhaps the government will have a classification system where Libyan bombs are downplayed or even used against those home grown terrorists who would wage jihad.

You know "well it's bad but not as bad as it could be.


How could they think that they could have a limited war against a regime that has sponsored so much UK terrorism in the past.

IDIOTS!

But hey, the UN said it was OK, so the pollies are off the moral hook.

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Misrata will become CMD's Srebrenica, if he's not able to envigour NATO's full response immediately.

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Pravda article.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/10-04-...


Quote.
"Is Sarkozy stupid? Yes, he is. Pigst-thick, obtuse, idiotic and a pucker little fascist. The man is an idiot, a racist and a xenophobe. Imposing a ban on face-covering Islamic veils...why doesn't he send his gendarmes into Christian churches to arrest the brides every Saturday and Sunday between now and the end of the Summer?"

Well.

Edited by Mojocvh on Tuesday 26th April 18:43

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The real Apache said:

Mojocvh said:

Pravda article.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/10-04-...

What a ridiculous article

Indeed, but perhaps it makes very nice reading in North/Western Africa.

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MX7 said:

Agree. I'd expect a comment like that on Facebook, not from a representative of Pravda. I'm not sure why it's even worth citing. Pravda -1 points.

Sighs, because if you take the blinkers OFF, you can visualise the indirect support that it gives to "the opposition" and a line on the Russian governments unstated aims.....do you think the rhetoric employed was just random?

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The real Apache said:

Mikeyboy said:

The real Apache said:

Mojocvh said:

MX7 said:

Agree. I'd expect a comment like that on Facebook, not from a representative of Pravda. I'm not sure why it's even worth citing. Pravda -1 points.

Sighs, because if you take the blinkers OFF, you can visualise the indirect support that it gives to "the opposition" and a line on the Russian governments unstated aims.....do you think the rhetoric employed was just random?

I see your point Mo but is it really in Russias interest to support Daffy?

Point one: what artillery/guns/tanks is he using?
Point two: Russia hasn't really become that liberal under Putin/Medvedev so it might not be in their future interest to be seen to kick out people who don't listen to their people and may be happy yo use troops against them.

Sorry, I don't get it, if Daffy was to be overthrown would his successor lob out all the current kit and replace it with something else? could they even if they wanted to? I still think it's just a curiously public outburst of invective from some individual in the press

I think it's more a case of the state distancing themselves from western/un actions and to be totally blunt, they for sure wouldn't mind the mad Col staying on for another decade or so. Very astute the Ruskies, they have waited to see the outcome and I think we all agree Daffy ain't going anywhere.

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Mermaid said:

El Guapo said:

Regardless of your opinion of Gadaffi, it's not really acceptable to go in and execute him; NATO/UN do not have that mandate. What they can do is ensure that, if the majority of Libyans wish to remove him from power, they can do so.
If the Arab League, say, had decided a couple of years ago that Gordon Brown had visited enough misery on the people of Britain and had to go, would that be equally acceptable?


OK, possibly a bad example

If Gadaffi threw enough money at it, no doubt there would be an assassination attempt on Cameron & Sarkozy.

What do you mean "if"???

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And how quietly are the "ground" forces being slowly dragged in ie Apache attack helicopters [and frog equiv] moving in??

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13760895

How completely fked up is this? Women/girls raped by Ghadaffi's "men" in an orchestrated campaign, then are killed by their own families in "honour" killings for being raped.

Totally defies belief.