MOD paying £22 for a 65p light bulb
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SantaBarbara said:
In the old days, Royal Marines establishment would always have Heavy Duty carpet
Wow, that's some insight there.Bloody Marines having carpet! I mean what's wrong with floorboards, eh? In fact, floorboards are too good for 'em. Take the floor away and have them walk on the dirt.
Bloody namby, pamby Marines. Weren't like this is my day, H&S gone mad, Blitz spirit, etc,etc...
valiant said:
SantaBarbara said:
In the old days, Royal Marines establishment would always have Heavy Duty carpet
Wow, that's some insight there.Bloody Marines having carpet! I mean what's wrong with floorboards, eh? In fact, floorboards are too good for 'em. Take the floor away and have them walk on the dirt.
Bloody namby, pamby Marines. Weren't like this is my day, H&S gone mad, Blitz spirit, etc,etc...
Evanivitch said:
valiant said:
SantaBarbara said:
In the old days, Royal Marines establishment would always have Heavy Duty carpet
Wow, that's some insight there.Bloody Marines having carpet! I mean what's wrong with floorboards, eh? In fact, floorboards are too good for 'em. Take the floor away and have them walk on the dirt.
Bloody namby, pamby Marines. Weren't like this is my day, H&S gone mad, Blitz spirit, etc,etc...
k it, it only taxpayers money...
Private Eye ran a short piece about spending 6.2 billion on a fleet of air defence destroyers only to have two being pulled apart for new engines/generators, one used as a "training ship" and two operational but only in "cold" waters....
....however this can be balanced by spending 6.2 billion on two non operational aircraft carriers with NO aircraft...
...and about those aircraft, numbers down to 36, and the cost Still going on towards 130mil a piece, plans to rework dozens if not hundreds of already built aircraft to tranche 4 standard being shelved as "uneconomic" [ps guess what ones we are getting?] and the tranche 4 level of capability now being on a new processor as current one is "overclocked" and the processor hasn't been designed yet and software will take two years beyond in service date [Dont 'yall snigger] before fully tested...
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-cons...
Ooh and the seat issues have resurfaced
http://www.rollcall.com/news//safety-experts-some-...
200 quid for a lightbulb? fking bargain compared to above.
....however this can be balanced by spending 6.2 billion on two non operational aircraft carriers with NO aircraft...
...and about those aircraft, numbers down to 36, and the cost Still going on towards 130mil a piece, plans to rework dozens if not hundreds of already built aircraft to tranche 4 standard being shelved as "uneconomic" [ps guess what ones we are getting?] and the tranche 4 level of capability now being on a new processor as current one is "overclocked" and the processor hasn't been designed yet and software will take two years beyond in service date [Dont 'yall snigger] before fully tested...
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-cons...
Ooh and the seat issues have resurfaced
http://www.rollcall.com/news//safety-experts-some-...
200 quid for a lightbulb? f
king bargain compared to above.A point made, but not picked-up on. Many MOD and similar contracts specify that anything installed must have a service life of 5/10/20 years.
As we see in the civilian arena (Windows XP on CNC machines, 1990s Silicon Graphics boxes running MRI scanners), this causes real problems with modern, fast-moving technology. The only way to guarantee parts availability for 10+ years is in many cases either (a) to buy multiple units and keep them in store, or (b) buy multiple spares and keep them in store.
Storage is not free. Periodic assessment and testing of stored parts is not free. Insurance for stored parts (including the costs of finding replacements in a decade's time) is not free. And so on.
TfL and Nasa both have (or had) people scouring eBay and the like to buy up obsolete spares to keep operational equipment running.
Now, for a piece of operational kit (tank, plane, whatever) this matters, obviously - you can't just bolt on a new "improved" component to a war machine and hope it will work.
Instead of reforming MoD procurement, I think we need to move away from MoD procurement buying anything other than operational equipment. You and I know that, if the bulkhead light is broken, you replace it with a modern alternative. People who maintain tanks can't think like that.
As we see in the civilian arena (Windows XP on CNC machines, 1990s Silicon Graphics boxes running MRI scanners), this causes real problems with modern, fast-moving technology. The only way to guarantee parts availability for 10+ years is in many cases either (a) to buy multiple units and keep them in store, or (b) buy multiple spares and keep them in store.
Storage is not free. Periodic assessment and testing of stored parts is not free. Insurance for stored parts (including the costs of finding replacements in a decade's time) is not free. And so on.
TfL and Nasa both have (or had) people scouring eBay and the like to buy up obsolete spares to keep operational equipment running.
Now, for a piece of operational kit (tank, plane, whatever) this matters, obviously - you can't just bolt on a new "improved" component to a war machine and hope it will work.
Instead of reforming MoD procurement, I think we need to move away from MoD procurement buying anything other than operational equipment. You and I know that, if the bulkhead light is broken, you replace it with a modern alternative. People who maintain tanks can't think like that.
BlackLabel said:
A £64,400 phone bill. 
The Ministry of Defence spent more than £60,000 on mobile internet use for a single phone last year, PoliticsHome can reveal.
Without the details of usage though, that's just clickbait.The Ministry of Defence spent more than £60,000 on mobile internet use for a single phone last year, PoliticsHome can reveal.
Could be valid if the user is visiting far off countries and needs to upload large amounts of data . Quite a few developing countries don't have fixed line internet infrastructures and rely on 4G usage.
Equally, it could be they've updated devices and the new one takes massively higher resolution images when lower res ones would be adequate and noone thought to check..
Sylvaforever said:
....however this can be balanced by spending 6.2 billion on two non operational aircraft carriers with NO aircraft...
.
I'm pretty sure we've already seen Merlin fly off the carriers, and soon Chinook, Wildcat and Apache to follow. F35 in less than 12 months time..
You realise all equipment doesn't become operational the moment you buy it? Especially FoT platforms?
Chlamydia said:
Then you worked for the only company ever to be treated with suspicion by the MOD in its history. There are many ex-servicemen and women on here and I guarantee you that every one of them know first hand of how money is pissed away by the MOD. Pun not intended but I have another example: a small gents toilet on an RAF squadron needed some work done, the facilities consisted of 3 toilet stalls, 3 urinals and a sink. The contractors came in, replaced the urinals with one of those metal trough things, replaced the sink with a very nice looking metal one and painted the doors of the crappers, (they did nothing to the toilets themselves). Cost, £35,000. In the early nineties.
Me and the wife had bought our house in the area the week previously for £32,000.
Not true Me and the wife had bought our house in the area the week previously for £32,000.
Sylvaforever said:
Private Eye ran a short piece about spending 6.2 billion on a fleet of air defence destroyers only to have two being pulled apart for new engines/generators, one used as a "training ship" and two operational but only in "cold" waters....
Not quite correct, they do undertake regular work in hot conditions, and the Navy know how to manage the load on the engines to prevent further issues. They will all have some new or additional powerplants added at refit, but the fleet are in regular deployment at the moment across the world. SantaBarbara said:
Chlamydia said:
Then you worked for the only company ever to be treated with suspicion by the MOD in its history. There are many ex-servicemen and women on here and I guarantee you that every one of them know first hand of how money is pissed away by the MOD. Pun not intended but I have another example: a small gents toilet on an RAF squadron needed some work done, the facilities consisted of 3 toilet stalls, 3 urinals and a sink. The contractors came in, replaced the urinals with one of those metal trough things, replaced the sink with a very nice looking metal one and painted the doors of the crappers, (they did nothing to the toilets themselves). Cost, £35,000. In the early nineties.
Me and the wife had bought our house in the area the week previously for £32,000.
Not true Me and the wife had bought our house in the area the week previously for £32,000.
Countdown said:
Glad to see you have moved on from randomly stating "You are wrong" on various posts and then providing absolutely zilch evidence to back up your assertion. In fact I think it's fair to say that if you are saying something is "Not True" or "Wrong" or "Incorrect" it's pretty much guaranteed to be 100% correct.
Which forum was that on?Evanivitch said:
Sylvaforever said:
....however this can be balanced by spending 6.2 billion on two non operational aircraft carriers with NO aircraft...
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I'm pretty sure we've already seen Merlin fly off the carriers, and soon Chinook, Wildcat and Apache to follow. F35 in less than 12 months time..
You realise all equipment doesn't become operational the moment you buy it? Especially FoT platforms?
Wastage in the military is a disgrace. Theres a jubilee clip on the vehicles I work on which holds on an exhaust hose for static running. That's £1050 please. Or a small canvas tool roll with about 20 standard draper tools in, £750. A 170mm wooden block used to measure a gap is more than 170mm, £150.
Someone is getting a massive back hander in all of this.
Someone is getting a massive back hander in all of this.
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