Someone in my local NHS needs to hang their head in shame!
Discussion
7mike said:
shauniebabes said:
Treatment should be given according to clinical need.
This is non essential cosmetic treatement that he wants to NHS to pay for because he has a sob story. Losing a leg in combat would be worthy to treatment. All he did was fill his face with pies.
Does that mean knob lob ops on the NHS have never taken place? Or was it a case of the mental suffering the poor mixed up sole was suffering in 'the wrong body'?This is non essential cosmetic treatement that he wants to NHS to pay for because he has a sob story. Losing a leg in combat would be worthy to treatment. All he did was fill his face with pies.
A mental illness suffered through combat is less important than a physical one? Just as well the NHS don't employ people as stupid as you
I deal with dozens of more deserving cases on waiting lists every day.
The only difference between this guy and someone else with the same medical history is they try to play the "ex-serviceman please give generously" card.
shauniebabes said:
They do.
I deal with dozens of more deserving cases on waiting lists every day.
The only difference between this guy and someone else with the same medical history is they try to play the "ex-serviceman please give generously" card.
Really? So how many civilians do you deal with on a daily basis who are recovering from PTSD as a result of being attacked by a mob whilst trying to rescue their mates then?I deal with dozens of more deserving cases on waiting lists every day.
The only difference between this guy and someone else with the same medical history is they try to play the "ex-serviceman please give generously" card.
Kermit power said:
Really? So how many civilians do you deal with on a daily basis who are recovering from PTSD as a result of being attacked by a mob whilst trying to rescue their mates then?
Basically, he doesn't give a s
t."Can someone explain why killing people for no other reason than blind obedience is considered a virtue?"
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
7mike said:
Basically, he doesn't give a st.
"Can someone explain why killing people for no other reason than blind obedience is considered a virtue?"
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Ah yes, having just read that I see a pointless, offensive little troll. Suitably ignored.t."Can someone explain why killing people for no other reason than blind obedience is considered a virtue?"
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Buggles said:
Oh dear. shauniebabes, you really are a fking tt.
Do you think that our Armed Forces are murdering apes? Do you think that this guy has no call for our respect? Time and time again our Armed Forces are called upon to do the dirty work of our Government. This guy is no different.
OK, they are not volunteers, but many, many people would not do this job for love nor money. I can't imagine how terrifying NI must have been during the troubles, but one thing I am positive of, is that he must have seen some horrible st.
Whether you think he should get the operation on the NHS or not, show some fking respect for a man who was prepared to risk his life for his friends.
shauniebabes is a left wing pen pusher for the NHS. He comes from Darlington where, no doubt he had a run in at some point with some inebriated squaddies having a night out from Caterick. Judging by past posts, his long standing shoulder chip is only matched by his gripes about bankers. I must be realy bored today because I can't find any evidence that he has any interest in driving so is clearly here for trolling.king tt. Do you think that our Armed Forces are murdering apes? Do you think that this guy has no call for our respect? Time and time again our Armed Forces are called upon to do the dirty work of our Government. This guy is no different.
OK, they are not volunteers, but many, many people would not do this job for love nor money. I can't imagine how terrifying NI must have been during the troubles, but one thing I am positive of, is that he must have seen some horrible s
t. Whether you think he should get the operation on the NHS or not, show some f
king respect for a man who was prepared to risk his life for his friends. One more thing; never trust a bloke who's eyebrows meet in the middle.
http://www.facebook.com/shaun.jameson
shauniebabes said:
They do.
I deal with dozens of more deserving cases on waiting lists every day.
The only difference between this guy and someone else with the same medical history is they try to play the "ex-serviceman please give generously" card.
This is your job? And yet you equate PTSD with "comfort" eating? I see that you need some additional training..... I deal with dozens of more deserving cases on waiting lists every day.
The only difference between this guy and someone else with the same medical history is they try to play the "ex-serviceman please give generously" card.
7mike said:
shauniebabes is a left wing pen pusher for the NHS. He comes from Darlington where, no doubt he had a run in at some point with some inebriated squaddies having a night out from Caterick. Judging by past posts, his long standing shoulder chip is only matched by his gripes about bankers. I must be realy bored today because I can't find any evidence that he has any interest in driving so is clearly here for trolling.
One more thing; never trust a bloke who's eyebrows meet in the middle.
http://www.facebook.com/shaun.jameson
fOne more thing; never trust a bloke who's eyebrows meet in the middle.
http://www.facebook.com/shaun.jameson
k me, he looks like Dr Spock and Bones' lovechild. No wonder if he wasn't turned down for plastic surgery to remove that massive on his face...shauniebabes said:
7mike said:
shauniebabes said:
Treatment should be given according to clinical need.
This is non essential cosmetic treatement that he wants to NHS to pay for because he has a sob story. Losing a leg in combat would be worthy to treatment. All he did was fill his face with pies.
Does that mean knob lob ops on the NHS have never taken place? Or was it a case of the mental suffering the poor mixed up sole was suffering in 'the wrong body'?This is non essential cosmetic treatement that he wants to NHS to pay for because he has a sob story. Losing a leg in combat would be worthy to treatment. All he did was fill his face with pies.
A mental illness suffered through combat is less important than a physical one? Just as well the NHS don't employ people as stupid as you
I deal with dozens of more deserving cases on waiting lists every day.
The only difference between this guy and someone else with the same medical history is they try to play the "ex-serviceman please give generously" card.
What is exactly is 'more deserving' and who gave you the moral high ground to determine who is more deserving than anyone else. I've had the dubious pleasure of meeting people with your attitude within the NHS recently. Careful chap that you don't p
s off someone who will do their very best to make sure you pay the professional price for your attitude. Careers get broken with attitudes such as yours.I'm afraid I'd have to agree with refusal on this one.
I don't think the NHS should decide on a patient basis whether the person has done deeds worthy of NHS treatment. Treatment (or not) should be there for all.
I do think the NHS has to decide on the basis of clinical need because it has limited resources, and I'm afraid removing excess skin because you don't like the look of it isn't one of them.
In fact allowing this on the basis of the patient has some very real funding problems fo the NHS.
As even more of an extreeme. If everyone who threatened to commit suicide because they couldn't get the operation done when and how they wanted, got an automatic pass to the operation the idea that the NHS is, in any way a limited system would be out the window.
If a serviceman presented to me with that history though I would be less worried about his skin flaps and more worried about his psychi.
I don't think the NHS should decide on a patient basis whether the person has done deeds worthy of NHS treatment. Treatment (or not) should be there for all.
I do think the NHS has to decide on the basis of clinical need because it has limited resources, and I'm afraid removing excess skin because you don't like the look of it isn't one of them.
In fact allowing this on the basis of the patient has some very real funding problems fo the NHS.
As even more of an extreeme. If everyone who threatened to commit suicide because they couldn't get the operation done when and how they wanted, got an automatic pass to the operation the idea that the NHS is, in any way a limited system would be out the window.
If a serviceman presented to me with that history though I would be less worried about his skin flaps and more worried about his psychi.
dave_s13 said:
Kermit power said:
I never said all people can get fertility treatment on the NHS, but as far as I'm concerned, even one couple getting it is one too many whilst there are other areas in need of funding.
Absolute, total and utter boll0x.I'm not getting into that though.
Fertility treatment is one of those things that I'd put in with cosmetic surgery (other than for reconstructive reasons) where I simply cannot see one single reason why the taxpayer should be funding treatment.
It seems particularly absurd for the taxpayer to be funding fertility treatment at the same time as having to look after children in need of adoption.
Why do you think it should be funded?
julian64 said:
I'm afraid I'd have to agree with refusal on this one.
I don't think the NHS should decide on a patient basis whether the person has done deeds worthy of NHS treatment. Treatment (or not) should be there for all.
I do think the NHS has to decide on the basis of clinical need because it has limited resources, and I'm afraid removing excess skin because you don't like the look of it isn't one of them.
In fact allowing this on the basis of the patient has some very real funding problems fo the NHS.
As even more of an extreeme. If everyone who threatened to commit suicide because they couldn't get the operation done when and how they wanted, got an automatic pass to the operation the idea that the NHS is, in any way a limited system would be out the window.
If a serviceman presented to me with that history though I would be less worried about his skin flaps and more worried about his psychi.
i have to agree with this, when i read about the case and the flashbacks when he saw the loose skin, my thought was not that he needed surgery but needs psych help, surgery would just be treating the symptoms. He needs help with the flash backs. The MOD does have it's own psych service, they are now very hot on this, but as he is an ex-service i doubt he can access this.I don't think the NHS should decide on a patient basis whether the person has done deeds worthy of NHS treatment. Treatment (or not) should be there for all.
I do think the NHS has to decide on the basis of clinical need because it has limited resources, and I'm afraid removing excess skin because you don't like the look of it isn't one of them.
In fact allowing this on the basis of the patient has some very real funding problems fo the NHS.
As even more of an extreeme. If everyone who threatened to commit suicide because they couldn't get the operation done when and how they wanted, got an automatic pass to the operation the idea that the NHS is, in any way a limited system would be out the window.
If a serviceman presented to me with that history though I would be less worried about his skin flaps and more worried about his psychi.
I am sure he is very brave and has served his country well, but the nhs ignores this because the whole point is it doesn't differentiate, the decisions are based and clinical need alone. Without this it becomes a case of, I want this because i paid more tax then the next person.
piquet said:
julian64 said:
I'm afraid I'd have to agree with refusal on this one.
I don't think the NHS should decide on a patient basis whether the person has done deeds worthy of NHS treatment. Treatment (or not) should be there for all.
I do think the NHS has to decide on the basis of clinical need because it has limited resources, and I'm afraid removing excess skin because you don't like the look of it isn't one of them.
In fact allowing this on the basis of the patient has some very real funding problems fo the NHS.
As even more of an extreeme. If everyone who threatened to commit suicide because they couldn't get the operation done when and how they wanted, got an automatic pass to the operation the idea that the NHS is, in any way a limited system would be out the window.
If a serviceman presented to me with that history though I would be less worried about his skin flaps and more worried about his psychi.
i have to agree with this, when i read about the case and the flashbacks when he saw the loose skin, my thought was not that he needed surgery but needs psych help, surgery would just be treating the symptoms. He needs help with the flash backs. The MOD does have it's own psych service, they are now very hot on this, but as he is an ex-service i doubt he can access this.I don't think the NHS should decide on a patient basis whether the person has done deeds worthy of NHS treatment. Treatment (or not) should be there for all.
I do think the NHS has to decide on the basis of clinical need because it has limited resources, and I'm afraid removing excess skin because you don't like the look of it isn't one of them.
In fact allowing this on the basis of the patient has some very real funding problems fo the NHS.
As even more of an extreeme. If everyone who threatened to commit suicide because they couldn't get the operation done when and how they wanted, got an automatic pass to the operation the idea that the NHS is, in any way a limited system would be out the window.
If a serviceman presented to me with that history though I would be less worried about his skin flaps and more worried about his psychi.
I am sure he is very brave and has served his country well, but the nhs ignores this because the whole point is it doesn't differentiate, the decisions are based and clinical need alone. Without this it becomes a case of, I want this because i paid more tax then the next person.
Kermit power said:
Why so?
Fertility treatment is one of those things that I'd put in with cosmetic surgery (other than for reconstructive reasons) where I simply cannot see one single reason why the taxpayer should be funding treatment.
It seems particularly absurd for the taxpayer to be funding fertility treatment at the same time as having to look after children in need of adoption.
Why do you think it should be funded?
Well it's not funded (in my case), so the argument is moot.Fertility treatment is one of those things that I'd put in with cosmetic surgery (other than for reconstructive reasons) where I simply cannot see one single reason why the taxpayer should be funding treatment.
It seems particularly absurd for the taxpayer to be funding fertility treatment at the same time as having to look after children in need of adoption.
Why do you think it should be funded?
There are lots of very good reasons it should be funded, or at least subsidised. One being the people going through IVF are doing so because they desperately want a child. You then end up with a more balanced and productive human being, in theory.
Being unable to conceive breaks up marriages, causes women with "the mental" to become even more mental and is generally a very damaging psychosocial arangement.
I kind of agreed with you before I found myself in the situation of needing to go through IVF so we could have kids. The process was horrible. Young 'un is right enough though
It also cost the price of a TVR Cerbera.
Post the question in another thread, if you dare.....
Edited by dave_s13 on Monday 14th March 15:17
davepoth said:
Buggles said:
I'm not sure that it falls under this category either. Stress was hugely misunderstood back then and probably explains why he had no help. Whether he wants to or should be able to claim damages against the MOD is a different thing.
I don't really see how the MOD should pay for the Operation however, it's what the NHS is for.
If the obesity is definitely as a result of the PTSD, then the MOD have responsibility for it really. And as has been mentioned a bit above, up until quite recently, the MOD had full responsibility for looking after injured servicepeople.I don't really see how the MOD should pay for the Operation however, it's what the NHS is for.
By that I mean if it came from the MOD or NHS budget it comes from the government and as such it seems daft not to be having the argument after the event not before.
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