"Why is there no looting in Japan" - interesting comments!!
Discussion
Mr Dave said:
You have to remember that many many Japanese soldiers were treated extremely brutally while in the army, treatment which would easily amount to torture, remembering also that in many places they were starved so severely that they had to resort to eating other Japanese soldiers to survive and that in many cases the Japanese soldiers that were the cruelest in the camps were Koreans. Japanese soldiers were used mostly to fight, Koreans were often used for rear echelon postings such as camps and so on.
Doesnt make it right at all, accounts from POW camps, the hell ships, the research facilities in Manchuria and so all, are in many cases more horrific than what happened in Germany. Very hard to read about and thankfully almost impossible to fathom. However stories of how normal Japanese soldiers were treated were also harrowing.
Well if all these conducts suggest there's no racial basis of moral superiority to explain why Japanese don't go looting, what's left? A behavioural psychologist might suggest certain forms of social conditioning underlie this aversion to looting. Some Japanese corporate practices could reinforce this theory. I like the theory. Doesnt make it right at all, accounts from POW camps, the hell ships, the research facilities in Manchuria and so all, are in many cases more horrific than what happened in Germany. Very hard to read about and thankfully almost impossible to fathom. However stories of how normal Japanese soldiers were treated were also harrowing.
carmonk said:
More sensible to judge a people based on their day-to-day habits rather than wars several generations past.
Such as whaling, tentacle porn, rape games, support for the death penalty (80%), permanently adolescent, rude, freakishly hiveminded, ignorant of their past... taking all of this into account, I'm struggling to understand the fawning admiration that so many westerners have for the Japanese. 
The fact that the Japanese didn't go out looting doesn't make them a paragon of humanity. Under the circumstances, I honestly don't think any Britons would go out looting if the same catastrophe occured on our shores. The looting of a grounded cargo vessel a few years ago is being cited as an example but that wasn't a national tragedy and no one was killed. And there was not much left to loot in Japan anyway.
Brighton Derly said:
Such as whaling, tentacle porn, rape games, support for the death penalty (80%), permanently adolescent, rude, freakishly hiveminded, ignorant of their past... taking all of this into account, I'm struggling to understand the fawning admiration that so many westerners have for the Japanese.
ninjasit's all about the ninjas
This thread has nothing to do with empathy. The question was 'why is there no looting in Japan?' as if the Japanese are somehow better than everyone else in the world. They're not; it wouldn't have happened in any developed country.
The events of the past few days have been very sad, I'm not ashamed to admit that I got a bit teary-eyed at an especially emotive news report about parents reuniting with their children in the aftermath. But spare me all this 'oh aren't the Japanese wonderful, they're not looting' crap!
The events of the past few days have been very sad, I'm not ashamed to admit that I got a bit teary-eyed at an especially emotive news report about parents reuniting with their children in the aftermath. But spare me all this 'oh aren't the Japanese wonderful, they're not looting' crap!
Brighton Derly said:
carmonk said:
More sensible to judge a people based on their day-to-day habits rather than wars several generations past.
Such as whaling, tentacle porn, rape games, support for the death penalty (80%), permanently adolescent, rude, freakishly hiveminded, ignorant of their past...Tentacle porn? None of my business what type of porn they look at if it's hurting nobody and involves consenting adults, and none of yours either.
Rape games? Again, what's it to you what games they play? So I gather you would you prefer a society like the UK, then, where we don't play rape games yet the incidence of actual rape is over 8X that of Japan's?
Adolescent, rude, hiveminded, ignorant of their past..? Ooh, those b
ds! 
Brighton Derly said:
taking all of this into account, I'm struggling to understand the fawning admiration that so many westerners have for the Japanese.
Experience, in my case, and tales from people I know. And I'm not fawning, I'm simply saying.Brighton Derly said:
This thread has nothing to do with empathy. The question was 'why is there no looting in Japan?' as if the Japanese are somehow better than everyone else in the world. They're not; it wouldn't have happened in any developed country.
Why are you getting so defensive? No one said that the Japanese are an amazing set of people, they just commented on the lack of looting.And to say it wouldn't have happened in any other country is utter bulls
t. If a disaster hit Doncaster tomorrow then people would be looting like crazy.Brighton Derly said:
obob said:
What is this and rapelay? Am at work so can't google. I'm imagining it involves an octopus - is this where the James Bond movie got it's name?
Penises are prohibited in Japan so they show an octupus penetrating the woman with its tentacles instead.Rapelay is a computer game in which the objective is to stalk a mother and daughter and rape them.
weirdos!There would be looting in this country, I have no doubt, but only in certain sub-sections of society. Everywhere there are people who haven't had the education or upbringing required to instill a sense of respect towards others and the property of others. It is that sense of respect, co-operation and community that has made Japan what it is and is what we lack as a society.
obob said:
Brighton Derly said:
obob said:
What is this and rapelay? Am at work so can't google. I'm imagining it involves an octopus - is this where the James Bond movie got it's name?
Penises are prohibited in Japan so they show an octupus penetrating the woman with its tentacles instead.Rapelay is a computer game in which the objective is to stalk a mother and daughter and rape them.
weirdos!Are they all fecking bonkers?
Maybe it's all the social conformity engineering that's disturbed them, but rape games, octopus cocks and torturing each other for entertainment doesn't project as uber-healthy, does it?
groan said:
Are they all fecking bonkers?
Yes. Yes they are. But brilliant too. They are very like us.The dubious sexual stuff is a result of their censorship laws mixed with their historic beliefs. They cannot show pubic hair or penises, so they get younger girls and tentacled monsters. Make as much sense of that as you can.
Shay HTFC said:
Why are you getting so defensive? No one said that the Japanese are an amazing set of people, they just commented on the lack of looting.
And to say it wouldn't have happened in any other country is utter bullst. If a disaster hit Doncaster tomorrow then people would be looting like crazy.
I don't believe anyone would be looting if a giant tidal wave decimated Doncaster and killed 10,000 people tomorrow. People in the immediate vacinity might be desperate to find food and water but they wouldn't be carting away plasma tellies from dead people's houses.And to say it wouldn't have happened in any other country is utter bulls
t. If a disaster hit Doncaster tomorrow then people would be looting like crazy.Brighton Derly said:
I don't believe anyone would be looting if a giant tidal wave decimated Doncaster and killed 10,000 people tomorrow. People in the immediate vacinity might be desperate to find food and water but they wouldn't be carting away plasma tellies from dead people's houses.
See above.A significant minority of the UK population make a habit of carting away plasma televisions from the houses of people very much alive, often when they're asleep upstairs. I know that for a fact. Once the sanction of civil law is removed, such as it is, all hell would break loose.
The Japanese don't have the same sort of feral criminal underclass that we do. They have problems as a society, but frankly they understand that they live on the edge of disaster, and that gives a society a focus and a backbone - unlike ours.
groan said:
Mr Dave said:
You have to remember that many many Japanese soldiers were treated extremely brutally while in the army, treatment which would easily amount to torture, remembering also that in many places they were starved so severely that they had to resort to eating other Japanese soldiers to survive and that in many cases the Japanese soldiers that were the cruelest in the camps were Koreans. Japanese soldiers were used mostly to fight, Koreans were often used for rear echelon postings such as camps and so on.
Doesnt make it right at all, accounts from POW camps, the hell ships, the research facilities in Manchuria and so all, are in many cases more horrific than what happened in Germany. Very hard to read about and thankfully almost impossible to fathom. However stories of how normal Japanese soldiers were treated were also harrowing.
Well if all these conducts suggest there's no racial basis of moral superiority to explain why Japanese don't go looting, what's left? A behavioural psychologist might suggest certain forms of social conditioning underlie this aversion to looting. Some Japanese corporate practices could reinforce this theory. I like the theory. Doesnt make it right at all, accounts from POW camps, the hell ships, the research facilities in Manchuria and so all, are in many cases more horrific than what happened in Germany. Very hard to read about and thankfully almost impossible to fathom. However stories of how normal Japanese soldiers were treated were also harrowing.
My theory is that in the areas worst affected, most of the would be looters are mostly more worried about just having been tsunami'd(I dont think thats a real word) and in those areas there are likely to be a lot of military/police.
Not being reported on either. Nuclear reactors going a bit wrong and the general scale of destruction is grabbing the headlines.
groan said:
I could be wrong about this, but wasn't there a Japanese TV entertainment programme which basically involved them torturing each other in horrendously painful and seriously disgusting circumstances?
Endurance.Clive James featured it almost every week when he had his own TV show.
There are some really ignorant people on here - Ignorant as in 'Lacking education or knowledge, showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge', so I wont bother trying to educate any of them.
The title of the thread really says it all, It's asked in 'surprise', as though looting is the norm, and should be expected. I'm sure the Japanese arent surprised that no one is looting, It's just something they would'nt dream of doing, it's alien to them. They respect each other and respect other peoples property, that's the way they are.
The title of the thread really says it all, It's asked in 'surprise', as though looting is the norm, and should be expected. I'm sure the Japanese arent surprised that no one is looting, It's just something they would'nt dream of doing, it's alien to them. They respect each other and respect other peoples property, that's the way they are.
groan said:
I could be wrong about this, but wasn't there a Japanese TV entertainment programme which basically involved them torturing each other in horrendously painful and seriously disgusting circumstances?
Yes, bits of the Japanese culture are strange to non-Japanese, as are many other places. I do wonder how many people slating the Japanese culture have actially been there?Most of the Japanese I know don't eat whale, don't read bukkake porn on the train, and lead quite normal consumer lives.
They have a culture, traditions and values that stretch back millenia, and they are proud to protect it. I have always found them welcoming, friendly and also, a great bunch of piss heads to go out with.
The best way to think about it is that the Japanese are about as Asian as Brits are European.
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