Squatting to be made Illegal
Discussion
Rude-boy said:
Liokault said:
Just google squatter help, or squatter information, which I did a few months back when I had an empty property and was looking for info on my position if a squatter got in. You will find 10 times more info to help squatters carry on squatting than is available for the guy who is being squatted on (so to speak).
Very true.Even truer is that there might well be a number of intelligent people who can read that and then work out how to counter those obstacles.
For example one might relieve said squatters of their keys and change the locks whilst a friend has a cup of tea with them in the living room whilst they discuss their new beretta over and under. Squatters aren’t usually know for being the tidiest of people so you might also have someone making sure that the Property is spruced up before dropping off said squatter at a local beauty spot a few miles out of town.
I’m not saying that I would ever advocate any of these actions, nor that I am aware of anyone who might have had to take such a course of action but I suspect that it might well prove effective if orchestrated correctly.
She tried talking to them (which was dangerous I thought), they simply said "It's our right to be here, you cannot do anything". She stayed at a friends overnight and then got in touch with our security team. That night door was gently removed as it needed replacing, the squatters were then given a free taxi ride to the Brecon Beacons and deposited 100miles away from her home
Interestingly, they were not the typical 'down and outs', but University students! 
Sadly, when the law does not help the innocent, they have to take matters into their own hands and I cannot blame them. I'd be pretty f
ked off if a property that I pay to live in was occupied by tts who thought it was their 'ooman rite' to steal living space from others 
Tsippy said:
That is exactly how it happens according to some chaps I worked with. A lady who was a regular visitor to our pub went on holiday for two weeks and returned home to find that her house was occupied by undesirables.
She tried talking to them (which was dangerous I thought), they simply said "It's our right to be here, you cannot do anything". She stayed at a friends overnight and then got in touch with our security team. That night door was gently removed as it needed replacing, the squatters were then given a free taxi ride to the Brecon Beacons and deposited 100miles away from her homeInterestingly, they were not the typical 'down and outs', but University students!
Sadly, when the law does not help the innocent, they have to take matters into their own hands and I cannot blame them. I'd be pretty fked off if a property that I pay to live in was occupied by tts who thought it was their 'ooman rite' to steal living space from others
Because the majority of squatters are students, usually middle to upper class, privileged background, probably called Tarquin or Jocinta and their parents are probably fairly well off. It's always the case, read any newspaper article on squatters and this is usually what you discover. Those 'squatters' that were living in a Park Lane mansion quite recently, one of their fathers was a high flying New York lawyer.She tried talking to them (which was dangerous I thought), they simply said "It's our right to be here, you cannot do anything". She stayed at a friends overnight and then got in touch with our security team. That night door was gently removed as it needed replacing, the squatters were then given a free taxi ride to the Brecon Beacons and deposited 100miles away from her home
Interestingly, they were not the typical 'down and outs', but University students!Sadly, when the law does not help the innocent, they have to take matters into their own hands and I cannot blame them. I'd be pretty f
ked off if a property that I pay to live in was occupied by tts who thought it was their 'ooman rite' to steal living space from others See here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1131192/Th...
Tsippy said:
That's interesting, so basically it's the same sector of society who expect a free ride for everything else. I might start up a squatter-eviction company when the laws come in 
That's right. As grotty students they rebel against their parents 'slumming it', have the time to 'protest', whine and moan about capitalism and then when you try to evict them, probably emply daddy's lawyers to fight their case. Then, ten years later no doubt join the family business and become capitalists... then bh and moan when some crusty has moved into their mansion Oakey said:
Tsippy said:
That's interesting, so basically it's the same sector of society who expect a free ride for everything else. I might start up a squatter-eviction company when the laws come in
That's right. As grotty students they rebel against their parents 'slumming it', have the time to 'protest', whine and moan about capitalism and then when you try to evict them, probably emply daddy's lawyers to fight their case. Then, ten years later no doubt join the family business and become capitalists... then bh and moan when some crusty has moved into their mansion 
Liokault said:
They would need to smash the lock right off and hide it so that the squatter can't show that his key fits it.
One thing I have learned about squatters is that they tend to know the legal ins and outs of squatting and have a process that they follow. I find it very very unlikely that they would not be able to show they were in the property and were "valid" (for want of a better term) squatters.
Just google squatter help, or squatter information, which I did a few months back when I had an empty property and was looking for info on my position if a squatter got in. You will find 10 times more info to help squatters carry on squatting than is available for the guy who is being squatted on (so to speak).
Does the law differentiate on who's squatting?One thing I have learned about squatters is that they tend to know the legal ins and outs of squatting and have a process that they follow. I find it very very unlikely that they would not be able to show they were in the property and were "valid" (for want of a better term) squatters.
Just google squatter help, or squatter information, which I did a few months back when I had an empty property and was looking for info on my position if a squatter got in. You will find 10 times more info to help squatters carry on squatting than is available for the guy who is being squatted on (so to speak).
I'd get them booted out, get a friend move in claiming squatters rights, original squatters won't have any leg to stand on, police wont give a s
t as its a civil matter. Problem solved....you've got your house back,About time this law was changed, society has been flipped upside down for a long time. Hard working people seem to be pensalised over the feckless and workshy for far too long
silver.fox.2008 said:
Does the law differentiate on who's squatting?
I'd get them booted out, get a friend move in claiming squatters rights, original squatters won't have any leg to stand on, police wont give a st as its a civil matter. Problem solved....you've got your house back,
genius.I'd get them booted out, get a friend move in claiming squatters rights, original squatters won't have any leg to stand on, police wont give a s
t as its a civil matter. Problem solved....you've got your house back,
Tsippy said:
That is exactly how it happens according to some chaps I worked with. A lady who was a regular visitor to our pub went on holiday for two weeks and returned home to find that her house was occupied by undesirables. . .
. . . That night door was gently removed as it needed replacing, the squatters were then given a free taxi ride to the Brecon Beacons and deposited 100miles away from her home
Not sure what the 'gently removed' is supposed to suggest although what comes after it tends to indicate a serious offence. I certainly wouldn't post such thing on a public forum and if I was the woman who employed you I might be a bit worried.. . . That night door was gently removed as it needed replacing, the squatters were then given a free taxi ride to the Brecon Beacons and deposited 100miles away from her home
What people call squatters rights is no such thing in reality. The Criminal Law Act 77 makes it an offence to use violence to enter premises if someone on those premises is opposed to such entry. There are exceptions and one of them is the displaced residential occupier (DRO), which this woman would appear to be, who does not commit the offence and nor does anyone acting on their behalf, which is what you were suggesting you were doing. You could have been as loud as you like and not invented a story, especially one as dodgy as that.
If you wish to enter premises you can do so as a DRO, a protected intended occupier or with a court order. Once on those premises you, or someone acting on your behalf, may then demand that the occupiers leave.
There are certain limitations - some leasehold properties. So in essence what Cameron is doing is removing a law from the statute books.
The law protects more than squatters and it will be interesting to see what will replace it, unless Cameron is throwing residents to the wolves. Certainly it was brought in for very good reasons and if the section was removed it might well 'open the door' to Rachmanism.
JB! said:
silver.fox.2008 said:
Does the law differentiate on who's squatting?
I'd get them booted out, get a friend move in claiming squatters rights, original squatters won't have any leg to stand on, police wont give a st as its a civil matter. Problem solved....you've got your house back,
genius.I'd get them booted out, get a friend move in claiming squatters rights, original squatters won't have any leg to stand on, police wont give a s
t as its a civil matter. Problem solved....you've got your house back,Derek Smith said:
Tsippy said:
That is exactly how it happens according to some chaps I worked with. A lady who was a regular visitor to our pub went on holiday for two weeks and returned home to find that her house was occupied by undesirables. . .
. . . That night door was gently removed as it needed replacing, the squatters were then given a free taxi ride to the Brecon Beacons and deposited 100miles away from her home
Not sure what the 'gently removed' is supposed to suggest although what comes after it tends to indicate a serious offence. I certainly wouldn't post such thing on a public forum and if I was the woman who employed you I might be a bit worried.. . . That night door was gently removed as it needed replacing, the squatters were then given a free taxi ride to the Brecon Beacons and deposited 100miles away from her home
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ukwill said:
Prof Prolapse said:
...I live in Scotland...
hey, we all have our crosses to bear.Liokault said:
They would need to smash the lock right off and hide it so that the squatter can't show that his key fits it.
One thing I have learned about squatters is that they tend to know the legal ins and outs of squatting and have a process that they follow. I find it very very unlikely that they would not be able to show they were in the property and were "valid" (for want of a better term) squatters.
Just google squatter help, or squatter information, which I did a few months back when I had an empty property and was looking for info on my position if a squatter got in. You will find 10 times more info to help squatters carry on squatting than is available for the guy who is being squatted on (so to speak).
If you go in 100% and take no prisoners not giving the squatter any indication of what is to come then what they think of as 'their' rights won't really matter?One thing I have learned about squatters is that they tend to know the legal ins and outs of squatting and have a process that they follow. I find it very very unlikely that they would not be able to show they were in the property and were "valid" (for want of a better term) squatters.
Just google squatter help, or squatter information, which I did a few months back when I had an empty property and was looking for info on my position if a squatter got in. You will find 10 times more info to help squatters carry on squatting than is available for the guy who is being squatted on (so to speak).
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