Meanwhile, In Syria
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Mermaid said:
No 
. I am only here to post on this thread. That should keep you happy, so go harass someone else.
I'm harassing you?!!! I haven't posted here for weeks, and you reply to my post in minutes! Who's harassing who?!!. I am only here to post on this thread. That should keep you happy, so go harass someone else.There's no point in posting on a thread with zero facts. Still, I'm sure it fills your days.
Hollande wants to get in with contracts for French companies, wants to be 1st country to recognise the rebels.
"French President Francois Hollande on Monday called on the Syrian opposition to establish a provisional government and said that France was ready to recognize it.
“France calls on the Syrian opposition to establish a provisional government that may become a legitimate representative of new Syria. France will recognize the government of a new Syria once it is established,” Hollande said at an annual conference of France’s ambassadors.
He added that France “is helping those who are establishing liberated zones in Syria. We are working on an initiative proposed by Turkey on creating buffer zones.”
Hollande believes that President Bashar al-Assad's regime may resort to chemical weapons. “We remain vigilant to prevent the use by the (Syrian) regime of chemical weapons, which would be for the international community legitimate grounds for direct intervention.”
"French President Francois Hollande on Monday called on the Syrian opposition to establish a provisional government and said that France was ready to recognize it.
“France calls on the Syrian opposition to establish a provisional government that may become a legitimate representative of new Syria. France will recognize the government of a new Syria once it is established,” Hollande said at an annual conference of France’s ambassadors.
He added that France “is helping those who are establishing liberated zones in Syria. We are working on an initiative proposed by Turkey on creating buffer zones.”
Hollande believes that President Bashar al-Assad's regime may resort to chemical weapons. “We remain vigilant to prevent the use by the (Syrian) regime of chemical weapons, which would be for the international community legitimate grounds for direct intervention.”
Blib said:
Hmm....
So, just a whiff of chemicals in the air and the French are prepared to go in? I wonder how long it will be before a "chemical weapon" discharge is "detected"?
I doubt there will be anything. Hollande just wants to sound tough & important now that Obama & Cameron have warned about the same, but has ratcheted up the tone.So, just a whiff of chemicals in the air and the French are prepared to go in? I wonder how long it will be before a "chemical weapon" discharge is "detected"?
Mermaid said:
Hollande wants to get in with contracts for French companies, wants to be 1st country to recognise the rebels.
"French President Francois Hollande on Monday called on the Syrian opposition to establish a provisional government and said that France was ready to recognize it.
American officials said the move was premature. "We're nowhere near that yet," one said. "French President Francois Hollande on Monday called on the Syrian opposition to establish a provisional government and said that France was ready to recognize it.
Felix Imonti said:
Saudi Arabia has gone on the offensive against Iran to protect its interests. Their involvement in Syria is the first battle in what is going to be a long bloody conflict that will know no frontiers or limits.
Ongoing disorders in the island kingdom of Bahrain since February of 2011 have set off alarm bells in Riyadh. The Saudis are convinced that Iran is directing the protests and fear that the problems will spill over the twenty-five kilometer long COSWAY into oil rich Al-Qatif, where the bulk of the two million Shia in the kingdom are concentrated. So far, the Saudis have not had to deal with demonstrations a serious as those in Bahrain, but success in the island kingdom could encourage the protestors to become more violent.
Protecting the oil is the first concern of the government. Oil is the sole source of the national wealth and it is managed by the state owned Saudi Aramco Corporation. The monopoly of political power by the members of the Saud family means that all of the wealth of the kingdom is their personal property. Saudi Arabia is a company country with the twenty-eight million citizens the responsibility of the Saud Family rulers.
The customary manner of dealing with a problem by the patriarchal regime is to bury it in money. King Abdullah announced at the height of the Arab Spring that he was increasing the national budget by 130 billion dollars to be spent over the coming five years. Government salaries and the minimum wage were raised. New housing and other benefits are to be provided. At the same time, he plans to expand the security forces by sixty thousand men.
While the Saudi king seeks to sooth the unrest among the general population by adding more government benefits, he will not grant any concessions to the eight percent of the population that is Shia. He takes seriously the warning by King Abdullah of Jordan back in 2004 of the danger of a Shia Crescent that would extend from the coast of Lebanon to Afghanistan. Hezbollah in Lebanon, Assad in Syria, and the Shia controlled government of Iraq form the links in the chain.
When the Arab Spring reached Syria, the leaders in Riyadh were given the weapon to break the chain. Appeals from tribal leaders under attack in Syria to kinsmen in the Gulf States for assistance could not be ignored. The various blinks between the Gulf States in several Syrian tribes means that Saudi Arabia and its close ally Qatar have connections that include at least three million people out of the Syrian populations of twenty-three million. To show how deep the bonds go, the leader of the Nijris Tribe in Syria is married to a woman from the Saud Family.
It is no wonder that Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal said in February that arming the Syrian rebels was an “excellent idea." He was supported by Qatari Prime Minister Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani who said, "We should do whatever necessary to help [the Syrian opposition], including giving them weapons to defend themselves." The intervention has the nature of a family and tribal issue that the prominent Saudi cleric Aidh al-Qarni has turned into a Sunni-Shia War by promoting Assad’s death.
The Saudis and their Qatar and United Arab Emirate allies have pledged one hundred million dollars to pay wages to the fighters. Many of the officers of the Free Syrian Army are from tribes connected to the Gulf. In effect, the payment of wages is paying members of associated tribes.
Here, the United States is not a welcomed partner, except as a supplier of arms. Saudi Arabia sees the role of the United States limited to being a wall of steel to protect the oil wealth of the Kingdom and the Gulf States from Iranian aggression. In February of 1945, President Roosevelt at a meeting in Egypt with Abdel Aziz bin Saud, the founder of modern Saudi Arabia, pledged to defend the kingdom in exchange for a steady flow of oil.
Since those long ago days when the U.S. was establishing Pax Americana, the Saudis have lost their trust in the wisdom or the reliability of American policy makers. The Saudis urged the U.S. not to invade Iraq in 2003 only to have them ignore Saudi interests in maintaining an Iraqi buffer zone against Iran. The Saudis had asked the U.S. not to leave a Shia dominated government in Baghdad that would threaten the Northern frontier of the Kingdom, only to have the last American soldiers depart in December 2011. With revolution sweeping across the Middle East, Washington abandoned President Mubarak of Egypt, Saudi Arabia’s favorite non royal leader in the region.
Worried by the possibility of Iranian sponsored insurrections among Shia in the Gulf States, the Saudis are asserting their power in the region while they have the advantage. For thirty years, they have been engaged in a proxy war with the Islamic Republic of Iran. Syria is to be the next battlefield, but here, there is a critical difference from what were minor skirmishes in Lebanon, Yemen, and elsewhere. The Saudis with the aid of Qatar, and the UAE is striking at the core interests of Tehran; and they have through their tribal networks the advantage over an isolated Islamic Republic.
Tribal and kinship relations are being augmented by the infusion of the Salafi vision of Islam that is growing in the Gulf States. Money from the Gulf States has gone into the development of religious centers to spread the fundamentalist belief. A critical part of the ideology is to be anti-Shia.
Salafism in Saudi Arabia is promulgated by the Wahhabi School of Islam. The Wahhabi movement began in the eighteenth century and promoted a return to the fundamentalism of the early followers of the Faith.
The Sauds incorporated the religious movement into their leadership of the tribes. When the modern state of Saudi Arabia was formed, they were granted control of the educational system and much else in the society in exchange for the endorsement of the authoritarian rule.
When the Kingdom used its growing wealth in the 1970s to extend its interests far from the traditional territory in the battle against the atheistic Soviet Union, the Wahhabi clergy became missionaries in advancing their ideology through religious institutions to oppose the Soviets. More than two hundred thousand jihadists were sent into Afghanistan to fight the Soviet forces and succeeded in driving them out.
There is no longer a Soviet Union to confront. Today, the enemy is the Islamic Republic of Iran with what is described by the Wahhabis as a heretical form of Islam and its involvement in the Shia communities across the region. For thirteen centuries, the Shia have been kept under control. With the hand of Iran in the form of the Qud Force reaching into restless communities that number as many as one hundred and six million people in what is the heart of the Middle East, the Saudis see a desperate need to crush the foe before it has the means to pull down the privileged position of the Saud Family and the families of the other Gulf State rulers.
The war begins in Syria where we can expect that a successor government to Assad will be declared soon in the Saudi controlled tribal areas even before Assad is defeated. The territory is likely to adopt the more fundamentalist principals of the Salafists as it serves as a stepping stone to Iran Itself. It promises to be a bloody protracted war that will recognize no frontier and will know no limits by all of the participants.
Edit: Formatting fixed!Ongoing disorders in the island kingdom of Bahrain since February of 2011 have set off alarm bells in Riyadh. The Saudis are convinced that Iran is directing the protests and fear that the problems will spill over the twenty-five kilometer long COSWAY into oil rich Al-Qatif, where the bulk of the two million Shia in the kingdom are concentrated. So far, the Saudis have not had to deal with demonstrations a serious as those in Bahrain, but success in the island kingdom could encourage the protestors to become more violent.
Protecting the oil is the first concern of the government. Oil is the sole source of the national wealth and it is managed by the state owned Saudi Aramco Corporation. The monopoly of political power by the members of the Saud family means that all of the wealth of the kingdom is their personal property. Saudi Arabia is a company country with the twenty-eight million citizens the responsibility of the Saud Family rulers.
The customary manner of dealing with a problem by the patriarchal regime is to bury it in money. King Abdullah announced at the height of the Arab Spring that he was increasing the national budget by 130 billion dollars to be spent over the coming five years. Government salaries and the minimum wage were raised. New housing and other benefits are to be provided. At the same time, he plans to expand the security forces by sixty thousand men.
While the Saudi king seeks to sooth the unrest among the general population by adding more government benefits, he will not grant any concessions to the eight percent of the population that is Shia. He takes seriously the warning by King Abdullah of Jordan back in 2004 of the danger of a Shia Crescent that would extend from the coast of Lebanon to Afghanistan. Hezbollah in Lebanon, Assad in Syria, and the Shia controlled government of Iraq form the links in the chain.
When the Arab Spring reached Syria, the leaders in Riyadh were given the weapon to break the chain. Appeals from tribal leaders under attack in Syria to kinsmen in the Gulf States for assistance could not be ignored. The various blinks between the Gulf States in several Syrian tribes means that Saudi Arabia and its close ally Qatar have connections that include at least three million people out of the Syrian populations of twenty-three million. To show how deep the bonds go, the leader of the Nijris Tribe in Syria is married to a woman from the Saud Family.
It is no wonder that Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal said in February that arming the Syrian rebels was an “excellent idea." He was supported by Qatari Prime Minister Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani who said, "We should do whatever necessary to help [the Syrian opposition], including giving them weapons to defend themselves." The intervention has the nature of a family and tribal issue that the prominent Saudi cleric Aidh al-Qarni has turned into a Sunni-Shia War by promoting Assad’s death.
The Saudis and their Qatar and United Arab Emirate allies have pledged one hundred million dollars to pay wages to the fighters. Many of the officers of the Free Syrian Army are from tribes connected to the Gulf. In effect, the payment of wages is paying members of associated tribes.
Here, the United States is not a welcomed partner, except as a supplier of arms. Saudi Arabia sees the role of the United States limited to being a wall of steel to protect the oil wealth of the Kingdom and the Gulf States from Iranian aggression. In February of 1945, President Roosevelt at a meeting in Egypt with Abdel Aziz bin Saud, the founder of modern Saudi Arabia, pledged to defend the kingdom in exchange for a steady flow of oil.
Since those long ago days when the U.S. was establishing Pax Americana, the Saudis have lost their trust in the wisdom or the reliability of American policy makers. The Saudis urged the U.S. not to invade Iraq in 2003 only to have them ignore Saudi interests in maintaining an Iraqi buffer zone against Iran. The Saudis had asked the U.S. not to leave a Shia dominated government in Baghdad that would threaten the Northern frontier of the Kingdom, only to have the last American soldiers depart in December 2011. With revolution sweeping across the Middle East, Washington abandoned President Mubarak of Egypt, Saudi Arabia’s favorite non royal leader in the region.
Worried by the possibility of Iranian sponsored insurrections among Shia in the Gulf States, the Saudis are asserting their power in the region while they have the advantage. For thirty years, they have been engaged in a proxy war with the Islamic Republic of Iran. Syria is to be the next battlefield, but here, there is a critical difference from what were minor skirmishes in Lebanon, Yemen, and elsewhere. The Saudis with the aid of Qatar, and the UAE is striking at the core interests of Tehran; and they have through their tribal networks the advantage over an isolated Islamic Republic.
Tribal and kinship relations are being augmented by the infusion of the Salafi vision of Islam that is growing in the Gulf States. Money from the Gulf States has gone into the development of religious centers to spread the fundamentalist belief. A critical part of the ideology is to be anti-Shia.
Salafism in Saudi Arabia is promulgated by the Wahhabi School of Islam. The Wahhabi movement began in the eighteenth century and promoted a return to the fundamentalism of the early followers of the Faith.
The Sauds incorporated the religious movement into their leadership of the tribes. When the modern state of Saudi Arabia was formed, they were granted control of the educational system and much else in the society in exchange for the endorsement of the authoritarian rule.
When the Kingdom used its growing wealth in the 1970s to extend its interests far from the traditional territory in the battle against the atheistic Soviet Union, the Wahhabi clergy became missionaries in advancing their ideology through religious institutions to oppose the Soviets. More than two hundred thousand jihadists were sent into Afghanistan to fight the Soviet forces and succeeded in driving them out.
There is no longer a Soviet Union to confront. Today, the enemy is the Islamic Republic of Iran with what is described by the Wahhabis as a heretical form of Islam and its involvement in the Shia communities across the region. For thirteen centuries, the Shia have been kept under control. With the hand of Iran in the form of the Qud Force reaching into restless communities that number as many as one hundred and six million people in what is the heart of the Middle East, the Saudis see a desperate need to crush the foe before it has the means to pull down the privileged position of the Saud Family and the families of the other Gulf State rulers.
The war begins in Syria where we can expect that a successor government to Assad will be declared soon in the Saudi controlled tribal areas even before Assad is defeated. The territory is likely to adopt the more fundamentalist principals of the Salafists as it serves as a stepping stone to Iran Itself. It promises to be a bloody protracted war that will recognize no frontier and will know no limits by all of the participants.
Edited by Art0ir on Wednesday 29th August 16:38
This video is VERY NSFW..
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b55_1346238546
However it shows what I keep saying and simply strengthens my belief that I am right in suspecting that all these so called massacres such as the houla massacre etc are being committed by the FSA and not the assad regime.
The assad regime is not a hardcore religious group like the FSA. It is the hardcore muslims who believe in beheading as part of the Koran.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b55_1346238546
However it shows what I keep saying and simply strengthens my belief that I am right in suspecting that all these so called massacres such as the houla massacre etc are being committed by the FSA and not the assad regime.
The assad regime is not a hardcore religious group like the FSA. It is the hardcore muslims who believe in beheading as part of the Koran.
Edited by TallbutBuxomly on Wednesday 29th August 18:56
TallbutBuxomly said:
This video is VERY NSFW..
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b55_1346238546
However it shows what I keep saying and simply strengthens my belief that I am right in suspecting that all these so called massacres such as the houla massacre etc are being committed by the FSA and the the assad regime.
The assad regime is not a hardcore religious group like the FSA. It is the hardcore muslims who believe in beheading as part of the Koran.
There is no suspicion any more. Anyone that says that support for the FSA is about protecting the Syrian people is either lying or are grossly misinformed. The writing is on the wall and it reads "Allahuh Akhbar".http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b55_1346238546
However it shows what I keep saying and simply strengthens my belief that I am right in suspecting that all these so called massacres such as the houla massacre etc are being committed by the FSA and the the assad regime.
The assad regime is not a hardcore religious group like the FSA. It is the hardcore muslims who believe in beheading as part of the Koran.
This is a sectarian insurrection aimed at wiping out moderate Islam in the region. It just so happens to fall into the short term interests of Western governments in the form of the continued destabilisation of Iran.
Remember what happened last time the US thought this was a good idea? Al Qaeda happened.
Anyone that thinks Western powers are oblivious to the reality of the situation in Syria are deluded as well. The pathological, power hungry slime balls in government need reigned in.
How long before skirmishes between Syrian & Turkish forces?
But the United States and its allies have shown little enthusiasm for providing the military and aerial support to police a no-fly zone which Turkey's proposal would require.
Assad, in his first television interview since a bomb attack killed four of his top security officials on July 18, brushed off the idea of international intervention.
"I believe that talk about a buffer zone is not practical, even for those countries which are playing a hostile role (against Syria)," he said, according to excerpts of an interview with Syria's Addounia TV broadcast on Wednesday.
He also ridiculed Turkey, which once cultivated good relations with Assad but turned against him over his violent response to the uprising in which at least 18,000 people have been killed, according to the United Nations.
"Will we go backwards because of the ignorance of some Turkish officials?" Assad said.
Turkey already hosts more than 80,000 refugees and the UNHCR said up to 5,000 people a day had arrived there in the last two weeks. The refugee flow to Jordan has also doubled, it said.
But the United States and its allies have shown little enthusiasm for providing the military and aerial support to police a no-fly zone which Turkey's proposal would require.
Assad, in his first television interview since a bomb attack killed four of his top security officials on July 18, brushed off the idea of international intervention.
"I believe that talk about a buffer zone is not practical, even for those countries which are playing a hostile role (against Syria)," he said, according to excerpts of an interview with Syria's Addounia TV broadcast on Wednesday.
He also ridiculed Turkey, which once cultivated good relations with Assad but turned against him over his violent response to the uprising in which at least 18,000 people have been killed, according to the United Nations.
"Will we go backwards because of the ignorance of some Turkish officials?" Assad said.
Turkey already hosts more than 80,000 refugees and the UNHCR said up to 5,000 people a day had arrived there in the last two weeks. The refugee flow to Jordan has also doubled, it said.
How long before skirmishes between Syrian & Turkish forces?
But the United States and its allies have shown little enthusiasm for providing the military and aerial support to police a no-fly zone which Turkey's proposal would require.
Assad, in his first television interview since a bomb attack killed four of his top security officials on July 18, brushed off the idea of international intervention.
"I believe that talk about a buffer zone is not practical, even for those countries which are playing a hostile role (against Syria)," he said, according to excerpts of an interview with Syria's Addounia TV broadcast on Wednesday.
He also ridiculed Turkey, which once cultivated good relations with Assad but turned against him over his violent response to the uprising in which at least 18,000 people have been killed, according to the United Nations.
"Will we go backwards because of the ignorance of some Turkish officials?" Assad said.
Turkey already hosts more than 80,000 refugees and the UNHCR said up to 5,000 people a day had arrived there in the last two weeks. The refugee flow to Jordan has also doubled, it said.
But the United States and its allies have shown little enthusiasm for providing the military and aerial support to police a no-fly zone which Turkey's proposal would require.
Assad, in his first television interview since a bomb attack killed four of his top security officials on July 18, brushed off the idea of international intervention.
"I believe that talk about a buffer zone is not practical, even for those countries which are playing a hostile role (against Syria)," he said, according to excerpts of an interview with Syria's Addounia TV broadcast on Wednesday.
He also ridiculed Turkey, which once cultivated good relations with Assad but turned against him over his violent response to the uprising in which at least 18,000 people have been killed, according to the United Nations.
"Will we go backwards because of the ignorance of some Turkish officials?" Assad said.
Turkey already hosts more than 80,000 refugees and the UNHCR said up to 5,000 people a day had arrived there in the last two weeks. The refugee flow to Jordan has also doubled, it said.
Sean,
Go back to that video link and check out the comments.
A certain lack of upbringing springs to mind.
A more intelligent and level headed person like yourself may wish to join us here: http://gofreesyria.blogspot.de/
Phil
Go back to that video link and check out the comments.
A certain lack of upbringing springs to mind.
A more intelligent and level headed person like yourself may wish to join us here: http://gofreesyria.blogspot.de/
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
Sean,
Go back to that video link and check out the comments.
A certain lack of upbringing springs to mind.
A more intelligent and level headed person like yourself may wish to join us here: http://gofreesyria.blogspot.de/
Phil
Done. What am I supposed to be seeing in the comments section other than anti fsa comments?Go back to that video link and check out the comments.
A certain lack of upbringing springs to mind.
A more intelligent and level headed person like yourself may wish to join us here: http://gofreesyria.blogspot.de/
Phil
Also looked at the site you linked to. Interesting a Free Syria blog. Hmm what a surprise. So another source of supposed independent information about the goings on in Syria except its a site supporting in effect the FSA.
Thanks but no thanks. I will of course keep it as a reference but as with everything treat it as unreliable info.
I prefer to look at all evidence pro and con and come to a conclusion and so far my conclusion is that the FSA are a murderous bunch of Muslim fanatics with a penchant for making s
t up to make the Assad regime look bad.I have yet to see enough evidence to point to any of the so called massacres being committed by the Assad regime since pretty much all have been in FSA held territory.
I have seen plenty of evidence of the FSA faking videos including one which appears to show them shooting and murdering a captive with his hands tied and then claiming it was an FSA fighter killed by the Assad regime.
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