Meanwhile, In Syria
Discussion
Transmitter Man said:
Anyone any idea what type munitions these are being dropped by the Su24, starts at around 10 seconds into the video?
https://youtu.be/zQOM0ZXKJmo
Phil
At a guess, RBK-500-Dhttps://youtu.be/zQOM0ZXKJmo
Phil
http://su-27flanker.com/weapon/rbk-500/
cirian75 said:
ah, a cluster bomb, I think the UK and US stopped using them as they cause a long term issue similar to unmapped mine fields.
= they kill people decades after being dropped.
The UK did in 2010 the US didn't. The US says 'smarter' versions being developed each bomblet has its own guidance and self destruct computer. = they kill people decades after being dropped.
Transmitter Man said:
So far Bellingcat has identified 3 Russian MoD airstrike videos as falsely claiming to hit ISIS, having the wrong locations, or both.
https://www.bellingcat.com/
Phil
Ah, yes the "citizen investigative journalist" bloggers most famous for their in-depth investigations using Google Earth. https://www.bellingcat.com/
Phil
Edit: About as credible as the "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" -- or a guy named Rami who posts on the Internet from in his bedroom in Coventry.
Good grief.
Edited by scherzkeks on Monday 5th October 16:35
scherzkeks said:
Ah, yes the "citizen investigative journalist" bloggers most famous for their in-depth investigations using Google Earth.
Edit: About as credible as the "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" -- or a guy named Rami who posts on the Internet from in his bedroom in Coventry.
Good grief.
Scherz,Edit: About as credible as the "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" -- or a guy named Rami who posts on the Internet from in his bedroom in Coventry.
Good grief.
Edited by scherzkeks on Monday 5th October 16:35
Can you offer a more credible source of information on this particular incident of the Syrian conflict?
Phil
Edited by Transmitter Man on Monday 5th October 17:43
Scuffers said:
Might be just me, but if you look at the film/pictures of this hospital, does it really look like it was subjected to an (US) air attack?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34432471
all the walls are still standing, and the interiors on fire, so what exactly are the US planes dropping that's small enough not to blow the buildings apart?
anybody got any thoughts on this?
Looks more like a rocket or mortar attack, or if from the air Hellfire from a chopper; there doesn't seem to be enough damage or shrapnel pockmarks for LGBs.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34432471
all the walls are still standing, and the interiors on fire, so what exactly are the US planes dropping that's small enough not to blow the buildings apart?
anybody got any thoughts on this?
cirian75 said:
ah, a cluster bomb, I think the UK and US stopped using them as they cause a long term issue similar to unmapped mine fields.
= they kill people decades after being dropped.
Not really true, for our cluster weapons anyway; the bomblets have enough metal content that sweeping them is relatively easy, certainly a lot easier than clearing argentine AP mines.= they kill people decades after being dropped.
I'm sure Vladimir is quaking in his boots at receiving a stiffly worded letter from Mr Stoltenberg.
The hospital in Afghanistan was shot up by an AC-130 gunship, so it was probably 105 mm shells and/or smaller calibre canon fire that hit it.
Depending on the model, these aircraft may also carry Hellfire missiles and 250lb bombs. The plane was called in by Afghan forces who were under Taliban attack.
Depending on the model, these aircraft may also carry Hellfire missiles and 250lb bombs. The plane was called in by Afghan forces who were under Taliban attack.
Beati Dogu said:
The hospital in Afghanistan was shot up by an AC-130 gunship, so it was probably 105 mm shells and/or smaller calibre canon fire that hit it.
Depending on the model, these aircraft may also carry Hellfire missiles and 250lb bombs. The plane was called in by Afghan forces who were under Taliban attack.
A good demonstration of why air support is a waste of time unless the ground forces have a FAC capable of doing his job.Depending on the model, these aircraft may also carry Hellfire missiles and 250lb bombs. The plane was called in by Afghan forces who were under Taliban attack.
Transmitter Man said:
AreOut said:
well, for Putin there is no going back from this point
I agree, and anyway, Putin is not the kind to listen to anyone but himself.Phil
A sobering analysis. Does this part sound familiar?
"A very likely course of events is that despite Russia's denials, the Pentagon will use the gambit of a Russian ground campaign, credible or not, to get permission from Congress to send a "small", at first, then bigger ground force of US troops in Syria to, you guessed it, "fight ISIS", but really to do everything to prevent Russian troops from taking over key strategic positions."
It is a Balkans role reversal, with the same potential for dire circumstances.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-05/syria-gro...
QuantumTokoloshi said:
The escalation has already started. This entire situation has the potential to spiral out of control rapidly.
A sobering analysis. Does this part sound familiar?
"A very likely course of events is that despite Russia's denials, the Pentagon will use the gambit of a Russian ground campaign, credible or not, to get permission from Congress to send a "small", at first, then bigger ground force of US troops in Syria to, you guessed it, "fight ISIS", but really to do everything to prevent Russian troops from taking over key strategic positions."
It is a Balkans role reversal, with the same potential for dire circumstances.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-05/syria-gro...
What is the point of using quotation marks on a comment from an anonymous article? To somehow lend it credibility? A sobering analysis. Does this part sound familiar?
"A very likely course of events is that despite Russia's denials, the Pentagon will use the gambit of a Russian ground campaign, credible or not, to get permission from Congress to send a "small", at first, then bigger ground force of US troops in Syria to, you guessed it, "fight ISIS", but really to do everything to prevent Russian troops from taking over key strategic positions."
It is a Balkans role reversal, with the same potential for dire circumstances.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-05/syria-gro...
loose cannon said:
The lack of will to deal with him in Crimea has just served to strengthen
His mindset on becoming the newJoseph
starling Josef Stalin
There is no dealing with here, there is only pragmatism. Russia is not a weakened Iraq or Libya, or a failed state like Afghanistan, Somalia or Yemen. Russia provides a sizable proportion of the world oil and gas, and provides the bulk of western European gas. Russia also happens to have the world's largest nuclear arsenal and a fair size conventional military.His mindset on becoming the new
How do you propose to deal with Russia? Get into a shooting war? Economic warfare? Train and arm terrorist groups to destabilise the country? Assassinate Putin? The problem is Russia, can, has, and will respond in kind.
It is possible that the Neocon strategy of a new American century might have some downsides here.
Zod said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
The escalation has already started. This entire situation has the potential to spiral out of control rapidly.
A sobering analysis. Does this part sound familiar?
"A very likely course of events is that despite Russia's denials, the Pentagon will use the gambit of a Russian ground campaign, credible or not, to get permission from Congress to send a "small", at first, then bigger ground force of US troops in Syria to, you guessed it, "fight ISIS", but really to do everything to prevent Russian troops from taking over key strategic positions."
It is a Balkans role reversal, with the same potential for dire circumstances.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-05/syria-gro...
What is the point of using quotation marks on a comment from an anonymous article? To somehow lend it credibility? A sobering analysis. Does this part sound familiar?
"A very likely course of events is that despite Russia's denials, the Pentagon will use the gambit of a Russian ground campaign, credible or not, to get permission from Congress to send a "small", at first, then bigger ground force of US troops in Syria to, you guessed it, "fight ISIS", but really to do everything to prevent Russian troops from taking over key strategic positions."
It is a Balkans role reversal, with the same potential for dire circumstances.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-05/syria-gro...
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