Meanwhile, In Syria
Discussion
Elroy Blue said:
The pilot who flew the bombing mission that (allegedly) dropped the sarin bomb has been assasinated by a car bomb last night.
Revenge? Or clearing up the evidence trail?
Supposedly. Interestingly apparently it was judged to be sarin gas from autopsies carried out by....Turkey. Yes ladies and gents those bastions of integrity who were buying oil from Isis held wells in Syria. Those bastions of integrity who have no meat in this game at all and have only wanted to get rid of assad for as long as he has led Syria.Revenge? Or clearing up the evidence trail?
Amazingly convenient for them that they found it was sarin gas. A chemical compound which has a short shelf life and is hard to make meaning it was most likely Assad as the terrorists aka rebels probably could not have made sarin gas.
An interesting aside though is that the tweet that was claimed to have gone out hours before the attack about the chemical weapons attack was from a different area according to an arab speaking friend.
dudleybloke said:
Remember the heartfelt speech given to the UN by a brave Kuwaiti nurse who gave sworn testament that Iraqi soldiers threw premature babies out of incubators to die?
Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
Jake Tapper of the esteemed Clown News Network suggests viewing the tweets of Bana Alabed for the real truth on Syria.Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
The fact that this 7-year-old native Syrian girl tweets neocon talking points in grammatically correct English in the middle of a war zone should not under any circumstances arouse your suspicion.
scherzkeks said:
dudleybloke said:
Remember the heartfelt speech given to the UN by a brave Kuwaiti nurse who gave sworn testament that Iraqi soldiers threw premature babies out of incubators to die?
Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
Jake Tapper of the esteemed Clown News Network suggests viewing the tweets of Bana Alabed for the real truth on Syria.Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
The fact that this 7-year-old native Syrian girl tweets neocon talking points in grammatically correct English in the middle of a war zone should not under any circumstances arouse your suspicion.
scherzkeks said:
dudleybloke said:
Remember the heartfelt speech given to the UN by a brave Kuwaiti nurse who gave sworn testament that Iraqi soldiers threw premature babies out of incubators to die?
Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
Jake Tapper of the esteemed Clown News Network suggests viewing the tweets of Bana Alabed for the real truth on Syria.Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
The fact that this 7-year-old native Syrian girl tweets neocon talking points in grammatically correct English in the middle of a war zone should not under any circumstances arouse your suspicion.
frankenstein12 said:
scherzkeks said:
dudleybloke said:
Remember the heartfelt speech given to the UN by a brave Kuwaiti nurse who gave sworn testament that Iraqi soldiers threw premature babies out of incubators to die?
Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
Jake Tapper of the esteemed Clown News Network suggests viewing the tweets of Bana Alabed for the real truth on Syria.Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
The fact that this 7-year-old native Syrian girl tweets neocon talking points in grammatically correct English in the middle of a war zone should not under any circumstances arouse your suspicion.
In that context, Jake Tapper's suggestion might seem perfectly reasonable.
scherzkeks said:
frankenstein12 said:
scherzkeks said:
dudleybloke said:
Remember the heartfelt speech given to the UN by a brave Kuwaiti nurse who gave sworn testament that Iraqi soldiers threw premature babies out of incubators to die?
Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
Jake Tapper of the esteemed Clown News Network suggests viewing the tweets of Bana Alabed for the real truth on Syria.Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
The fact that this 7-year-old native Syrian girl tweets neocon talking points in grammatically correct English in the middle of a war zone should not under any circumstances arouse your suspicion.
In that context, Jake Tapper's suggestion might seem perfectly reasonable.
Transmitter Man said:
Russia stated two years ago it welcomed an independent investigation into the gas attack.
Yesterday they vetoed this put forward at the UN.
Can someone please explain this game to me?
Phil
To me it seems the resolution blames Assad and demands he provides lots of details and access to military bases and documents.Yesterday they vetoed this put forward at the UN.
Can someone please explain this game to me?
Phil
Had the resolution been to condemn the attack and request he provides access and assistance odds are Russia would have been more accommodating as would Assad. Also worth note is Assad and Russia are being asked to trust the UN and western governments to conduct an honest and fair investigation when everyone has already blamed Assad and found him guilty.
How could Assad trust them not to rig the results?
MrBrightSi said:
scherzkeks said:
frankenstein12 said:
scherzkeks said:
dudleybloke said:
Remember the heartfelt speech given to the UN by a brave Kuwaiti nurse who gave sworn testament that Iraqi soldiers threw premature babies out of incubators to die?
Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
Jake Tapper of the esteemed Clown News Network suggests viewing the tweets of Bana Alabed for the real truth on Syria.Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
The fact that this 7-year-old native Syrian girl tweets neocon talking points in grammatically correct English in the middle of a war zone should not under any circumstances arouse your suspicion.
In that context, Jake Tapper's suggestion might seem perfectly reasonable.
Just watched the Assad interview and it is clear (I have a lifetime of experience spotting nutters and liars and he is neither) he is not responsible for any
chemical attack.
That leaves rogue elements or false flag/fabrication.
Given the overall situation at the time, considering who would benefit most, it is almost certainly the latter.
chemical attack.
That leaves rogue elements or false flag/fabrication.
Given the overall situation at the time, considering who would benefit most, it is almost certainly the latter.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Just watched the Assad interview and it is clear (I have a lifetime of experience spotting nutters and liars and he is neither) he is not responsible for any
chemical attack.
That leaves rogue elements or false flag/fabrication.
Given the overall situation at the time, considering who would benefit most, it is almost certainly the latter.
I have always felt he comes across quite well in interviews. He never seems to avoid eye contact or look uncomfortable or unable to answer a question. That being said a lifetime of dealing with liars does not mean he is telling the truth. He may just be the best liar the world has ever seen.chemical attack.
That leaves rogue elements or false flag/fabrication.
Given the overall situation at the time, considering who would benefit most, it is almost certainly the latter.
That yet again is the problem with all of this. Personally I think he is telling the truth. There have been times where I have believed him to be lying about incidents in the past but mostly in this instance I believe him and Russia over the US which is a worrying state of affairs.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Just watched the Assad interview and it is clear (I have a lifetime of experience spotting nutters and liars and he is neither) he is not responsible for any
chemical attack.
That leaves rogue elements or false flag/fabrication.
Given the overall situation at the time, considering who would benefit most, it is almost certainly the latter.
Assuming he's telling the truth, why are the Russians intent upon preventing any sort of inspection of Syrian government facilities? - Could the Russians be using chemical weapons in Syria without Assad's knowledge?chemical attack.
That leaves rogue elements or false flag/fabrication.
Given the overall situation at the time, considering who would benefit most, it is almost certainly the latter.
I simply don't understand why Assad doesn't use every opportunity to demonstrate to the West that he's innocent of war crimes. Surely it's not in his interest to be perceived as the perpetrator of genocide?
The whole situation out there is a total clusterf**k that's for sure.
WelshChris said:
Assuming he's telling the truth, why are the Russians intent upon preventing any sort of inspection of Syrian government facilities? - Could the Russians be using chemical weapons in Syria without Assad's knowledge?
I simply don't understand why Assad doesn't use every opportunity to demonstrate to the West that he's innocent of war crimes. Surely it's not in his interest to be perceived as the perpetrator of genocide?
The whole situation out there is a total clusterf**k that's for sure.
Possibly the same reasons that the UK or USA wouldn't allow China to pop round and inspect all their military bases or why we wouldn't let Russia have a nose around Porton Down?I simply don't understand why Assad doesn't use every opportunity to demonstrate to the West that he's innocent of war crimes. Surely it's not in his interest to be perceived as the perpetrator of genocide?
The whole situation out there is a total clusterf**k that's for sure.
WelshChris said:
Budflicker said:
Possibly the same reasons that the UK or USA wouldn't allow China to pop round and inspect all their military bases or why we wouldn't let Russia have a nose around Porton Down?
The situation - politically and militarily - is hardly comparable though is it?Why on gods green earth would Assad let anyone affiliated with the western governments who are so hellbent on getting rid of him go wandering around Syrian military bases gathering Intel that could be used by the west to help overthrow Assad????
He would have to be clinically insane and so would Russia to support such a move.
frankenstein12 said:
Why on gods green earth would Assad let anyone affiliated with the western governments who are so hellbent on getting rid of him go wandering around Syrian military bases gathering Intel that could be used by the west to help overthrow Assad????
He would have to be clinically insane and so would Russia to support such a move.
Why are the OPCW working on behalf of the UN "affiliated with Western Governments"?He would have to be clinically insane and so would Russia to support such a move.
WelshChris said:
frankenstein12 said:
Why on gods green earth would Assad let anyone affiliated with the western governments who are so hellbent on getting rid of him go wandering around Syrian military bases gathering Intel that could be used by the west to help overthrow Assad????
He would have to be clinically insane and so would Russia to support such a move.
Why are the OPCW working on behalf of the UN "affiliated with Western Governments"?He would have to be clinically insane and so would Russia to support such a move.
As you will not below assad obviously has a lot more time and money on his hands than we are led to belive if he has been able to rebuild or generate more chemical weapons factories...
https://www.opcw.org/news/article/destruction-of-s...
https://www.opcw.org/news/article/syria-completes-...
Scroll down to developments 2016..http://www.nti.org/learn/treaties-and-regimes/organization-for-the-prohibition-of-chemical-weapons/
I have no idea the truth in this article and am still trying to find something to back it up from the OPCW or affiliated.https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/last-two-chemical-weapons-facilities-syria-belong-rebels-opcw/
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