Meanwhile, In Syria
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Globs said:
Liokault said:
..am I doing this right comrade?
Your implication that anyone who opposes arming terrorists and murderers is a communist is bizarre.scherzkeks said:
Globs said:
Liokault said:
..am I doing this right comrade?
Your implication that anyone who opposes arming terrorists and murderers is a communist is bizarre.scherzkeks said:
Provide proof that Assad was behind the gas attack.
Thanks.
Would you consider strong circumstantial evidence possible proof enough being that no western inspectors have been allowed into the exact areas where the gas bombs were purportedly dropped?Thanks.
Not asking for a yes or no, a 'possibly' will be good enough.
Phil
I'm alluding to the clear fact that at least two people (or two profiles) (i'll let you guess who) are sitting in a suburb of St Petersburg being paid by the state to put out pro Putin agiprop. I see no other explanation for being so anti west so pro Putin, so in denial of anything bad that Russia could possibly have done, so ready to put a pro Russia anti west spin on EVERYTHING.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_brigades
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Very good Lio,
I think you're the very first person on this thread to come out with the truth about these two posters.
Very early on they started clouding over any serious debate and as soon as they tried to convince readers that 'all' groups opposing the Assad regime were so called as they put it, moderate Islamist terrorists, not differentiating the many opposition groups with their different agendas I concluded both were nothing but paid stooges in Russia. This is the very same line the regimes spokesman + Russia's Lavrov constantly push and anyone that has followed this conflict since kickoff in March 2011 will realize it's 110% BS.
Those that have not followed the conflict will believe what they want to believe without any basis other than anti west websites or RT.
Phil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_brigades
Edited by Liokault on Wednesday 17th May 17:14
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Very good Lio,
I think you're the very first person on this thread to come out with the truth about these two posters.
Very early on they started clouding over any serious debate and as soon as they tried to convince readers that 'all' groups opposing the Assad regime were so called as they put it, moderate Islamist terrorists, not differentiating the many opposition groups with their different agendas I concluded both were nothing but paid stooges in Russia. This is the very same line the regimes spokesman + Russia's Lavrov constantly push and anyone that has followed this conflict since kickoff in March 2011 will realize it's 110% BS.
Those that have not followed the conflict will believe what they want to believe without any basis other than anti west websites or RT.
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
scherzkeks said:
Provide proof that Assad was behind the gas attack.
Thanks.
Would you consider strong circumstantial evidence possible proof enough being that no western inspectors have been allowed into the exact areas where the gas bombs were purportedly dropped?Thanks.
Not asking for a yes or no, a 'possibly' will be good enough.
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
Very good Lio,
I think you're the very first person on this thread to come out with the truth about these two posters.
Very early on they started clouding over any serious debate and as soon as they tried to convince readers that 'all' groups opposing the Assad regime were so called as they put it, moderate Islamist terrorists, not differentiating the many opposition groups with their different agendas I concluded both were nothing but paid stooges in Russia. This is the very same line the regimes spokesman + Russia's Lavrov constantly push and anyone that has followed this conflict since kickoff in March 2011 will realize it's 110% BS.
Those that have not followed the conflict will believe what they want to believe without any basis other than anti west websites or RT.
Phil
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 19th May 11:35
Anything is possible and were proof in the firm of actual verifiably non tampered with proof provided showing Assad used chemical weapons I would happily accept he had done so.
At this point we have zero evidence. The fact no one has been allowed in to carry out an inspection Is no fault of Assad or Russia.
Those who wish to attend to investigate are treated with automatic suspicion no matter how clear as the driven snow as the West have an agenda and will happily falsify evidence to portray Assad as guilty.
Equally Assad and Russia cannot guarantee the safety of anyone who goes to investigate the site.
As such they cannot allow them in as they will become targets for terrorist propaganda and will possibly be caught up in another chemical attack or bombing which will be blamed on Assad by everyone and which will be used as justification for Assads removal by force.
I am British. I live in Kent. I do not trust the UK govt or any other Gov organisation whether it's friend or foe aka Assad or Russia.
I know the UK govt do not always act in our best interests nor are they beyond huge propaganda and disgusting deceitful behaviour just like the US, Russia, Syria etc.
At this point we have zero evidence. The fact no one has been allowed in to carry out an inspection Is no fault of Assad or Russia.
Those who wish to attend to investigate are treated with automatic suspicion no matter how clear as the driven snow as the West have an agenda and will happily falsify evidence to portray Assad as guilty.
Equally Assad and Russia cannot guarantee the safety of anyone who goes to investigate the site.
As such they cannot allow them in as they will become targets for terrorist propaganda and will possibly be caught up in another chemical attack or bombing which will be blamed on Assad by everyone and which will be used as justification for Assads removal by force.
I am British. I live in Kent. I do not trust the UK govt or any other Gov organisation whether it's friend or foe aka Assad or Russia.
I know the UK govt do not always act in our best interests nor are they beyond huge propaganda and disgusting deceitful behaviour just like the US, Russia, Syria etc.
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Driller said:
Ooh, ooh, can I be a spy too please?
On this thread, not advocating, at the very least, a thermonuclear war with Russia, marks you out as a pinko neo-communist Putin FSB love bot, with an address in St Petersberg and a "I love Putin" tattoo on your butt. .Nothing is gray, It's simple, Russia is correct and good, Assad is the rightful uncontested leader of Syria, ISIS started an illegal war in Syria backed by the West, the west is evil, Russian explosives have no effect on civilians, rebels (sorry I mean ISIS, there are no rebels) actively enjoy gassing themselves.
See easy and no fuzzy areas.....if you are paid to spin this towards Russia.
Of course any sane non partisan person can see the massive gray areas in al, of this, again I direct you to the first post in this thread and the irony that America was being criticised for NOT getting involved and letting Assad brutalise civilians on a huge scale.
Again I draw attention to the same two profiles on this thread that can only ever promote any Russian action as right and good and denigrate any action by the west as evil and bad. Even when it was grudgingly accepted that Russia/Assad bombed hospitals, they quickly turned the conversation to historical hospital bombing by the west.
Liokault said:
Assad is the rightful uncontested leader of Syria, ISIS started an illegal war in Syria backed by the West,
Assad was elected. Twice. With less claims of electoral fraud that the last few Presidential elections in America. How is he not the rightful leader?Apart from not being Hilary Clinton, obviously.
grumbledoak said:
Liokault said:
Assad is the rightful uncontested leader of Syria, ISIS started an illegal war in Syria backed by the West,
Assad was elected. Twice. With less claims of electoral fraud that the last few Presidential elections in America. How is he not the rightful leader?Apart from not being Hilary Clinton, obviously.
Again I draw attention to the ridicule of the west at the start of this thread for not getting involved to stop Assad decimating whole sections of his population.
Again I draw your attention to my assertion that this is an issue with many nuances and no correct answer, not the Assad, nice guy, west started this, scenario postulated by our Russian trolls.
Liokault said:
grumbledoak said:
Liokault said:
Assad is the rightful uncontested leader of Syria, ISIS started an illegal war in Syria backed by the West,
Assad was elected. Twice. With less claims of electoral fraud that the last few Presidential elections in America. How is he not the rightful leader?Apart from not being Hilary Clinton, obviously.
Again I draw attention to the ridicule of the west at the start of this thread for not getting involved to stop Assad decimating whole sections of his population.
Again I draw your attention to my assertion that this is an issue with many nuances and no correct answer, not the Assad, nice guy, west started this, scenario postulated by our Russian trolls.
t all you want it does not change the facts.You and others like to claim those who are critical of western actions are in full support of Assad or Russia which is yet again factually incorrect.
Its a common them with Anti Assadists. Your world view fits your narrative.
At no point have any of the Assad "apologists" on this thread said Assad hasn't committed the atrocities he is accused of.
What has been said repeatedly is that just because he has been accused does not make it fact nor true.
What has been said is provide actual verified trustworthy independent evidence or proof.
None has been forthcoming.
Syria is a clusterf
k. All sides are making false claims and running massive propaganda schemes.What I find interesting is that I have repeatedly tried to point out Western governments such as the US and UK are quite happy to engage in dirty tricks and lies to further their aims and we have tons of evidence of this from modern day WikiLeaks going all the way back in history past WW1 and 2.
Yet I am told I am paranoid and that we should just believe the US UK and organisations affiliated with them when they make claims against Assad.
An interesting article about US military operations and Syria is here:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/19/ghosts-of-...
A pretty accurate read and some interesting Vietnam stats I was unaware of: _when_ the casualties occurred and the parallels today.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/19/ghosts-of-...
A pretty accurate read and some interesting Vietnam stats I was unaware of: _when_ the casualties occurred and the parallels today.
Globs said:
An interesting article about US military operations and Syria is here:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/19/ghosts-of-...
A pretty accurate read and some interesting Vietnam stats I was unaware of: _when_ the casualties occurred and the parallels today.
Yes, seems like a well balanced, in no way biased articulate from a well respected totally non partisan web site. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/19/ghosts-of-...
A pretty accurate read and some interesting Vietnam stats I was unaware of: _when_ the casualties occurred and the parallels today.
[quote=frankenstein12][quote=Liokault][quote=grumbledoak][quote=Liokault]
Frank, I've edited your post to get to this point.
"What has been said is provide actual verified trustworthy independent evidence or proof.
None has been forthcoming."
The Assad regime has put a lid on independent reporting.
This offers up three options for news feed from Syria.
1. Reports from the activists there, Syrians themselves.
2. Reports from the regime or their 'friendly' affiliates.
3. Foreign journalists who either make their own way there or are smuggled in, possibly with a death-wish as an investigative journalist.
So, would you look at evidence from any of the above or stick to your statement, 'none has been forthcoming' while as I'm sure you know from your own research there's been a great deal of information that has come out of the country since kickoff in 2011.
Phil
Frank, I've edited your post to get to this point.
"What has been said is provide actual verified trustworthy independent evidence or proof.
None has been forthcoming."
The Assad regime has put a lid on independent reporting.
This offers up three options for news feed from Syria.
1. Reports from the activists there, Syrians themselves.
2. Reports from the regime or their 'friendly' affiliates.
3. Foreign journalists who either make their own way there or are smuggled in, possibly with a death-wish as an investigative journalist.
So, would you look at evidence from any of the above or stick to your statement, 'none has been forthcoming' while as I'm sure you know from your own research there's been a great deal of information that has come out of the country since kickoff in 2011.
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
frankenstein12 said:
Liokault said:
grumbledoak said:
Liokault said:
Frank, I've edited your post to get to this point.
"What has been said is provide actual verified trustworthy independent evidence or proof.
None has been forthcoming."
The Assad regime has put a lid on independent reporting.
This offers up three options for news feed from Syria.
1. Reports from the activists there, Syrians themselves.
2. Reports from the regime or their 'friendly' affiliates.
3. Foreign journalists who either make their own way there or are smuggled in, possibly with a death-wish as an investigative journalist.
So, would you look at evidence from any of the above or stick to your statement, 'none has been forthcoming' while as I'm sure you know from your own research there's been a great deal of information that has come out of the country since kickoff in 2011.
Phil
I look at all "evidence" and make a judgement based on possible source, reliability and reasoning."What has been said is provide actual verified trustworthy independent evidence or proof.
None has been forthcoming."
The Assad regime has put a lid on independent reporting.
This offers up three options for news feed from Syria.
1. Reports from the activists there, Syrians themselves.
2. Reports from the regime or their 'friendly' affiliates.
3. Foreign journalists who either make their own way there or are smuggled in, possibly with a death-wish as an investigative journalist.
So, would you look at evidence from any of the above or stick to your statement, 'none has been forthcoming' while as I'm sure you know from your own research there's been a great deal of information that has come out of the country since kickoff in 2011.
Phil
Nobody,s evidence is or has been overly credible. For every source (independent or otherwise) there is another or two saying the opposite or muddying the waters.
The horrible atrocity in Manchester, which of these groups do we think will be implicated in it?
The evil dictator Assad or the evil empire Russia or the axis of evil Iran or perhaps a Salafist Wahhabist crazy?
Then ask yourself, who in Syria is the UK, US and co. supporting?
The "moderate Al Qaeda Wahhabist group" or perhaps the only "moderately Wahhabist Islamist fundamentalist rebel groups" that are only slightly affiliated to Wahhabist ISIS for all logistics, command and control, training, munitions, personnel, suicide vests, chemical weapons etc.
Perhaps events like this, and the recent Westminster attack, we should be asking pragmatically, who are the most clear and present enemies of the Uk currently? Although asking these self evident questions, marks me out as a St Petersberg based, FSB super spy, bent on using my Dr evil mind control shark lasers.
The evil dictator Assad or the evil empire Russia or the axis of evil Iran or perhaps a Salafist Wahhabist crazy?
Then ask yourself, who in Syria is the UK, US and co. supporting?
The "moderate Al Qaeda Wahhabist group" or perhaps the only "moderately Wahhabist Islamist fundamentalist rebel groups" that are only slightly affiliated to Wahhabist ISIS for all logistics, command and control, training, munitions, personnel, suicide vests, chemical weapons etc.
Perhaps events like this, and the recent Westminster attack, we should be asking pragmatically, who are the most clear and present enemies of the Uk currently? Although asking these self evident questions, marks me out as a St Petersberg based, FSB super spy, bent on using my Dr evil mind control shark lasers.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Tuesday 23 May 09:29
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