Meanwhile, In Syria

[Sa Calobra]

scherzkeks said:

Transmitter Man said:

scherzkeks said:

Provide proof that Assad was behind the gas attack.

Thanks.

Would you consider strong circumstantial evidence possible proof enough being that no western inspectors have been allowed into the exact areas where the gas bombs were purportedly dropped?

Not asking for a yes or no, a 'possibly' will be good enough.

Phil

I would accept proof. Alert me when you have anything other than hyperventilation on offer.

It was once source. No one has elaborated since or further since Trump's strike. The source thought it looked like a credible plant from satellite footage. The media is quiet and there was no on the ground Intel to verify before or after. Ontop of this there are no western journalists in Syria. Only what we are told by the BBC..................

[Legend83]

Driller said:

Very interesting to see the BBC running this article:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40176781

Surprise surprise.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Legend83 said:

Driller said:

Very interesting to see the BBC running this article:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40176781

Surprise surprise.

There are big changes happening. Qatar pivoting towards Iran, so funding for the crazies in Syria will dry up somewhat, along with all the upheaval with Saudi, US strategy changing as well, to annihilate ISIS, rather than containment. The Syrian Army is making strong gains all over the country, in the last while, so it is starting

The concern is the Iran v Saudi /Israeli fight, with Trump giving unencumbered support to Israel, allowing them to target Iran and co. More so than under the Obama government, likewise the fun and games currently with Saudi and Qatar.

I suspect we will see more Iranian domestic regime change events, proliferation of well funded "pro democratic" groups and targeting of Hezbollah and associated groups. The escalation is hopefully keep localised.

We will see a change in the BBC reporting, less of the "evil Assad", a moderating of the message as the US strategy changes, probably a ramp up of the "evil Iran" message.

[anonymous-user]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Interesting Stuff

Sounds bazzing, doesn't it?

[BlackLabel]

If May wins convincingly today I think we'll see an escalation of our involvement in Syria. It will be spun as "we need to do this to keep Britain safe" etc etc etc.

[Sa Calobra]

Then any overspill will come back here.

[grumbledoak]

BlackLabel said:

If May wins convincingly today I think we'll see an escalation of our involvement in Syria. It will be spun as "we need to do this to keep Britain safe" etc etc etc.

Yes, we'll be safer with Corbyn at the helm.

[Globs]

More good news from Syria, ISIS is still losing heavily and Syria has managed to join back up to Iraq!



http://thesaker.is/breaking-news-syrian-army-hezbo...

That the SAA was able to reach Iraq without being bombed by the ISIS allied air force says quite a lot, I suspect the US invasion force in Syria was feeling too vulnerable to allow that to happen.

Although the US is trying to hang on to (large) bits of Syria (which is why they aid the Kurds, despite being enemies of Turkey), it looks like US relevance in the middle east is ending.

I don't expect Syria will get Golan back, stolen by Israel, but the last US excuse for occupation (the 'we're fighting ISIS' lie) is rapidly diminishing as Syria, Iran, Hezbollah and Russia and driving ISIS back, which can only be good news for the civilised world, even if NATO, the UK/US, Saudi and Israel are furious about it.

[Driller]

Somewhat OT but what's the "true" story with Qatar then?

It seems a bit rich that Saudi amongst others are cutting ties due to the "sponsoring of terrorism".

EAT because I can't spell "Qatar".

Edited by Driller on Saturday 10th June 19:52

[grumbledoak]

Regional power struggle, isn't it? Certainly Qatar is not sponsoring more terrorism than the Saudis.

[BlackLabel]

Driller said:

Somewhat OT but what's the "true" story with Quatar then?

It seems a bit rich that Saudi amongst others are cutting ties due to the "sponsoring of terrorism".

The Qataris seem to be playing both sides - sponsoring the Sunni terrorism in Syria, Iraq, Yemen and elsewhere is fine for the Saudis but they don't like the Qataris closeness to Iranian backed groups like Hezbollah, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

[Globs]

Agreed with both posts above.

http://thesaker.is/the-crisis-in-qatar-yet-another...

The main enemies of our masters are now Russia and Iran (Iraq and Libya having been smashed and Syria still work in progress). Qatar is dealing with Iran, and since Trump got his orders from Saudisrael this country will also be smashed if it does not comply.

It's interesting that Syria's destruction is for these main reasons (also applied generally to Libya and Iraq):

1) Assad is not using western central banking services
2) The Qatar pipeline was required
3) Lots of free oil for the victor
4) The Yinon plan

For years the Qatars have along with the Saudi's been funding the Wahhabist ISIS group that has dutifully attacked all of our masters enemies for them - all muslims and christians - and have therefore been the 'good guys'. Now since they are being pulled into line they are suddenly 'sponsors of terrorism', something the world and his dog has known for years.

Which means for years the US were lying about Qatar helping ISIS. While they continue to accuse Iran of helping terrorists with exactly zero proof. And Hezbollah of course, invaded 6 times by Israel and currently slaying ISIS: still the 'bad guys'.

So how do we believe the US when they claim Saudisrael are not helping ISIS? Well we use the usual internal proof we apply to 9/11 and other false flags, we know they didn't/don't do these things because 'They wouldn't do that'. A good enough proof for most today.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

It is great to see peace in large parts of Syria again, The way back is a very long and painfully slow road.

[BlackLabel]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

It is great to see peace in large parts of Syria again, The way back is a very long and painfully slow road.

A positive development in an otherwise bleak state of affairs. The fact that the Gulf sponsors of terror are quarrelling is probably helping the situation. Meanwhile Trump and May are otherwise occupied with issues at home.

Ironically Putin and Erdogan have done more to bring about some stability in Syria than our own lot have - at least the ceasefire brokered by Russia and Turkey is holding (to a certain degree anway).

[grumbledoak]

BlackLabel said:

Ironically Putin and Erdogan have done more to bring about some stability in Syria than our own lot have - at least the ceasefire brokered by Russia and Turkey is holding (to a certain degree anway).

It's not ironic. It really is the West that has been destabilizing the region. Iraq, Libya, and now Syria. All we ever had to do to improve things was stop.

[Globs]

Sadly grumbledoak is correct, we and our allies are now the enemy.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/06/02/syria-shoo...

We are fighting ourselves into bankruptcy and irrelevance, but not without taking a large chunk of the planet with us. The depleted uranium dust we have left in the middle east will be toxic for hundreds of thousands of years, Fukushima was made a far worse event by the mox fuel (burning plutonium - only created for weapons) and the US military is the biggest user of fuel on the planet

Currently we have surrounded Russia with troops, tanks, planes and missiles and taken to insulting and blaming them - oh, and sanctioning them after our botched Ukrainian coup went wrong, We are threatening the North Koreans and standing back as Saudi exterminate the Yemen people
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/23/yemen-camp...

In fact we're even selling the Saudi's guns to murder the civilians with

Then there's the murder of Saddam and Gaddafi and creation of ISIS, while we prop up Al Qaeda/Nusra and ISIS in Syria in a war of attrition against a UN sovereign state and fund the Kurds to steal a large chunk of the land.

I know the BBC propaganda and western fake news says 'it's everyone else's fault' and that we're the good guys, but really anyone with half a brain these days has redpilled and realised the horrors we are inflicting on the rest of the world.

[Transmitter Man]

Globs said:

More good news from Syria, ISIS is still losing heavily and Syria has managed to join back up to Iraq!



http://thesaker.is/breaking-news-syrian-army-hezbo...

That the SAA was able to reach Iraq without being bombed by the ISIS allied air force says quite a lot, I suspect the US invasion force in Syria was feeling too vulnerable to allow that to happen.

Although the US is trying to hang on to (large) bits of Syria (which is why they aid the Kurds, despite being enemies of Turkey), it looks like US relevance in the middle east is ending.

I don't expect Syria will get Golan back, stolen by Israel, but the last US excuse for occupation (the 'we're fighting ISIS' lie) is rapidly diminishing as Syria, Iran, Hezbollah and Russia and driving ISIS back, which can only be good news for the civilised world, even if NATO, the UK/US, Saudi and Israel are furious about it.

Globs,

Have you considered becoming a journalist?

You'd do well.

Phil

[Tartan Pixie]

Surprisingly little noise being made about the fact that SDF have started the assault on Raqqa, the daesh capital.

Map from yesterday: http://i.imgur.com/8eDrBkv.png

Unlike Mosul where the strategy was to encircle and destroy daesh the SDF have left the southern flank of Raqqa open in order to give daesh and their sympathisers the option of fleeing south towards DeZ (Deir ez Zor). Hopefully this will thin the local population of nutcases sufficiently that a Raqqa council can be set up similar to what happened in Manbij, meaning the locals can feel like they've been liberated rather than conquered. One can hope anyway.

Even with reinforcements from Arab areas in the nascent Rojava SDF don't have the manpower to take heavy losses, but on the other hand they have coalition backing and daesh are much depleted so hopefully the operation will go well.

[Tartan Pixie]

Globs said:

That the SAA was able to reach Iraq without being bombed by the ISIS allied air force says quite a lot, I suspect the US invasion force in Syria was feeling too vulnerable to allow that to happen.

A few guys broke off from the main force pushing east from Palmyra and drove south through empty desert so that a bit of the map can be coloured red instead of black - Good propaganda but not noteworthy in the grand scheme of things. Southern Front rebels still hold Al Tanf and highway 2.

The SAA are engaged in pushing east from Palmyra while the Tigers push south east in to Raqqa countryside, presumably so they can pocket the largely empty area of desert held by daesh and put themselves in striking distance of DeZ. There is no way they've got the manpower to take on the Southern Front at the same time and there's no will to either as that conflict has been mostly frozen, thanks to the excellent job the Jordanians have done in refusing to work with jihadis.

The wider context of the Southern Front is that there are three possible routes for a 'shia cresent' (route from Tehran to the Mediterranean):
North through KRG areas - Not going to happen while Barzani is in charge.
Centre through DeZ - Held by daesh, I'm not going to make predictions about this one.
South through Al Tanf - No one really knows what's going to happen here but hopefully it'll be a negotiated sentiment rather than a fight.

The Southern Front rebels are Jordanian (read USA) backed and are not friendly with the Assad government. I therefore read the headlines about SAA reaching the border with Iraq as a way of creating pressure for negotiations rather than any meaningful strategic change.

[Globs]

Transmitter Man said:

Have you considered becoming a journalist?

You'd do well.

Phil

Thanks for the thoughts

People who tend to report inconvenient stuff tend to get fired these days, look at Bill Maher, Steve Wilson and Jane Akre (Monsanto), as soon as I got a nice job and said 'Barry Jennings' I'd be on the bus home with my P45

Even Sean Hannity got a sudden vacation for mentioning Seth Rich, words almost as toxic to authority as 'pizzagate' and 'pedogate', there's a huge establishment push to maintain illusions and force the agenda.
http://www.unz.com/article/the-evidence-free-claim...

Tartan Pixie said:

I therefore read the headlines about SAA reaching the border with Iraq as a way of creating pressure for negotiations rather than any meaningful strategic change.

While your point is valid it does indicate some progress. I still remember the Top Gear team driving over Syria, in fact May's head wound was patched at a hospital later shown in the news after ISIS had moved in.

I doubt they'll do that trip again: it's all polluted with depleted uranium dust now, in fact Serbia has finally realised how deadly the stuff is from when NATO used it there:
https://www.rt.com/news/392126-serbia-lawsuit-nato...

Although Fallujha got it worse during those big revenge attacks upon the surly natives daring to defend their town against the invaders. That city will either have to be abandoned or they'll be paying the price for tens of billions of years.

The attack: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2004/11/fall-n10....

The legacy: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and...

Edit: The half life of DU (depleted uranium, mainly U238) is 4.5 billion years, so the contamination is effectively permanent.

Edited by Globs on Wednesday 14th June 10:52