Meanwhile, In Syria
Discussion
Globs said:
Ah, that odd phrase, great isn't it! Dismiss any argument in two words with zero evidence or research.
I wish I'd patented that.
I guess some may think supporting terrorists in Syria to overthrow Assad was an accident and that ISIS were just 'lucky', just don't confuse your choice of theory with an absence of conspiracy.
The american special forces in Syria didn't get lost on a training exercise in Ohio, these guys have GPS and everything, even F18s (unless that pilot got lost too and thought he was in Texas)
Ok then Globs,I wish I'd patented that.
I guess some may think supporting terrorists in Syria to overthrow Assad was an accident and that ISIS were just 'lucky', just don't confuse your choice of theory with an absence of conspiracy.
The american special forces in Syria didn't get lost on a training exercise in Ohio, these guys have GPS and everything, even F18s (unless that pilot got lost too and thought he was in Texas)
I'll counter your 'America invaded Syria' with the boy who admitted actually starting the civil war;
Start from 1:15: https://youtu.be/njKuK3tw8PQ
So, bring your proof to the table that I'm wrong.
Phil
Globs said:
I also found the Iran cruise missile strike interesting, particularly as immediately after Israel announced how great their airforce was.
This fantastic Israeli airforce incidentally has attacked Iranians, Syrians and Hezbollah illegally in Syria, but has never attacked ISIS.
Iran's missle attack basically sent a very clear message saying: "We are not Iraq, we are not Libya and we are not Syria".
So you don't like Israel then?
What about Hezbollah?
Phil
I also found the Iran cruise missile strike interesting, particularly as immediately after Israel announced how great their airforce was.
This fantastic Israeli airforce incidentally has attacked Iranians, Syrians and Hezbollah illegally in Syria, but has never attacked ISIS.
Iran's missle attack basically sent a very clear message saying: "We are not Iraq, we are not Libya and we are not Syria".
So you don't like Israel then?
What about Hezbollah?
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
the boy who admitted actually starting the civil war;
So you think it was all started by a boy, ok.No Qatar pipeline plan?
Not on General Wesley Clarke's list?
Not part of the Yinon plan?
Not a target of sunni Wahhabism?
No independent central bank?
No oil sales in anything but dollars?
No similar regime change in Iraq?
No similar regime change in Libya?
No similar regime change in Yemen?
Had a think about the Qatar situation recently?
No, none of them, it was this kid, see?
Fascinating.
BTW, If it's a civil war, why is Australia involved?
If it's a civil war, why is the US involved?
If it's a civil war, why did Cameron cry when Parliament stopped him being officially involved?
Maybe it isn't a civil war?
You know what, I reckon you're missing something about the war in Syria.
And what's your beef with Israel??
Because they've never attacked ISIS, and once ISIS freed the Golan Heights from Syrians they gave it to Israel?
Let me tell you: Perhaps ISIS just didn't want the Golan Heights, it's probably rubbish.
I'm sure the Israelis will look after it, you're only jealous.
Transmitter Man said:
proof?
Ok.. you want me to spend my 'powerfully built director' time to scurry around the internet gethering lots of examples so you can deny them all. Sounds irresistible, but what's in it for you?Here's my solution, HTH!
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Syria+ISIS+US+invasion
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40413563
Another stitch-up coming to a sovereign state near you.
Another stitch-up coming to a sovereign state near you.
But Globs,
The first hit on Google is stating not even a solution, nor how the civil war started (which BTW was the subject we are discussing) but how it is, in one journals view evolving.
So, 1/10 for trying.
So you don't think a boy can light the fuse eh?
Here's another for you. Bloody council wouldn't give him a licence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Mohamed_B...
So, as can be clearly seen in both my examples above, yes, a boy can light the touchpaper and start a war.
What comes later is something completely different.
Don't believe what you'd like to believe fits your own agenda. look at the facts man.
Phil
The first hit on Google is stating not even a solution, nor how the civil war started (which BTW was the subject we are discussing) but how it is, in one journals view evolving.
So, 1/10 for trying.
So you don't think a boy can light the fuse eh?
Here's another for you. Bloody council wouldn't give him a licence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Mohamed_B...
So, as can be clearly seen in both my examples above, yes, a boy can light the touchpaper and start a war.
What comes later is something completely different.
Don't believe what you'd like to believe fits your own agenda. look at the facts man.
Phil
Driller said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40413563
Another stitch-up coming to a sovereign state near you.
And right on cue........Another stitch-up coming to a sovereign state near you.
"Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon has committed the UK to backing future military action in Syria in retaliation for any use of chemical weapons by Bashar al-Assad."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mich...
Transmitter man: I get that you support the neocon narrative, but I see that as your problem, not mine.
News of the next false flag for Syria, the US knows even before Assad these days
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-27/white-hou...
A comment provides a useful tip:
The fact it's also now on RT and Assad would have certainly been informed we'll know if it does happen it won't be Assad committing political suicide and stabbing Russia in the back (which a chemical attack by him represents), but the US side wanting to bomb out more of Syria for the split/balkanisation.
It also looks like they are trying to get our SDF terrorists into Raqqa and are now fighting their own creation: ISIS to do it. Remember the Qatar embargo is still having an impact in terrorist support, they can only really count on the US and Saudi now, as post-failed-coup Erdogan has gone right off the US after that double cross and is now supporting Qatar and is still very anti-kurd. I have no time for the greedy, land grabbing kurds BTW. Autonomy is one thing, land theft another.
The Americans assume getting the SDF into Raqqah will give them control over the SDF and that part of Syria, but I wouldn't be surprised if they turn against the US and go back to Assad/Syria one day, and when the US drops the kurds they'll be gone too.
I see US relevance in the area is fading, and if the Fitzgerald incident is related to the Donald Cook one it will be interesting to see what they do in Syria without any ships. The fall of the USSR brought the USSR out of Afghanistan so I expect when the US depression lands on shore that will pull the US out of the middle east. I see signs of some desperate warmongering to convert this depression into a nice big war instead but I suspect Russia/China are ready and will thwart that if at all possible.
Incidentally Russia is done with defence, they will not be fighting another war on Russian soil. This is an official stated aim and also expressed by Putin in his Oliver Stone interviews. Their hypersonic missiles and tight, efficient military weapons programme is an offensive one: like a boxer with a good right-hook rather than one wearing extra padding. They do this because it's cheaper and easier than defence. They have no interest in invading Europe: there really is nothing they they want or need, Russia is geared up to defend Russians, Russia - now allied more than ever to China - has no need for us unless we are prepared to be civil and be trading partners like we where up to recently.
BTW the new Russian sanctions have been dropped by Trump, as he pointed out correctly that the Senate can't start these bills, they have to come from the larger House side of Congress. These sanctions were basically banning Russia's energy business.
Meanwhile there is still fighting between Syria and Israel;
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/394097-syria-israel-gol...
Which I think will only stop when US welfare payments to Israel stop, which could well happen when the petrodollar crashes and the depression hits, leaving a small country of religious fanatics rather isolated due to the lack of their large sponsor, who with continual wars they have managed to bleed dry and bring to the brink of disaster.
News of the next false flag for Syria, the US knows even before Assad these days
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-27/white-hou...
A comment provides a useful tip:
comment said:
Translation: "We are about to launch another false flag attack -- You will be severely punished for this!".
The US still need Deir El Zor so I expect it will be there when it's staged - if they go ahead with itThe fact it's also now on RT and Assad would have certainly been informed we'll know if it does happen it won't be Assad committing political suicide and stabbing Russia in the back (which a chemical attack by him represents), but the US side wanting to bomb out more of Syria for the split/balkanisation.
It also looks like they are trying to get our SDF terrorists into Raqqa and are now fighting their own creation: ISIS to do it. Remember the Qatar embargo is still having an impact in terrorist support, they can only really count on the US and Saudi now, as post-failed-coup Erdogan has gone right off the US after that double cross and is now supporting Qatar and is still very anti-kurd. I have no time for the greedy, land grabbing kurds BTW. Autonomy is one thing, land theft another.
The Americans assume getting the SDF into Raqqah will give them control over the SDF and that part of Syria, but I wouldn't be surprised if they turn against the US and go back to Assad/Syria one day, and when the US drops the kurds they'll be gone too.
I see US relevance in the area is fading, and if the Fitzgerald incident is related to the Donald Cook one it will be interesting to see what they do in Syria without any ships. The fall of the USSR brought the USSR out of Afghanistan so I expect when the US depression lands on shore that will pull the US out of the middle east. I see signs of some desperate warmongering to convert this depression into a nice big war instead but I suspect Russia/China are ready and will thwart that if at all possible.
Incidentally Russia is done with defence, they will not be fighting another war on Russian soil. This is an official stated aim and also expressed by Putin in his Oliver Stone interviews. Their hypersonic missiles and tight, efficient military weapons programme is an offensive one: like a boxer with a good right-hook rather than one wearing extra padding. They do this because it's cheaper and easier than defence. They have no interest in invading Europe: there really is nothing they they want or need, Russia is geared up to defend Russians, Russia - now allied more than ever to China - has no need for us unless we are prepared to be civil and be trading partners like we where up to recently.
BTW the new Russian sanctions have been dropped by Trump, as he pointed out correctly that the Senate can't start these bills, they have to come from the larger House side of Congress. These sanctions were basically banning Russia's energy business.
Meanwhile there is still fighting between Syria and Israel;
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/394097-syria-israel-gol...
Which I think will only stop when US welfare payments to Israel stop, which could well happen when the petrodollar crashes and the depression hits, leaving a small country of religious fanatics rather isolated due to the lack of their large sponsor, who with continual wars they have managed to bleed dry and bring to the brink of disaster.
Driller said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40413563
Another stitch-up coming to a sovereign state near you.
YepAnother stitch-up coming to a sovereign state near you.
Pentagon Says It Detected 'Active Preparations' By Syria for Chemical Attack
http://time.com/4834618/pentagon-syria-chemical-at...
You can actually watch the propaganda develop in real time now.
Globs said:
The US still need Deir El Zor so I expect it will be there when it's staged - if they go ahead with it
The fact it's also now on RT and Assad would have certainly been informed we'll know if it does happen it won't be Assad committing political suicide and stabbing Russia in the back (which a chemical attack by him represents), but the US side wanting to bomb out more of Syria for the split/balkanisation.
It also looks like they are trying to get our SDF terrorists into Raqqa and are now fighting their own creation: ISIS to do it. Remember the Qatar embargo is still having an impact in terrorist support, they can only really count on the US and Saudi now, as post-failed-coup Erdogan has gone right off the US after that double cross and is now supporting Qatar and is still very anti-kurd. I have no time for the greedy, land grabbing kurds BTW. Autonomy is one thing, land theft another.
The Americans assume getting the SDF into Raqqah will give them control over the SDF and that part of Syria, but I wouldn't be surprised if they turn against the US and go back to Assad/Syria one day, and when the US drops the kurds they'll be gone too.
I see US relevance in the area is fading, and if the Fitzgerald incident is related to the Donald Cook one it will be interesting to see what they do in Syria without any ships. The fall of the USSR brought the USSR out of Afghanistan so I expect when the US depression lands on shore that will pull the US out of the middle east. I see signs of some desperate warmongering to convert this depression into a nice big war instead but I suspect Russia/China are ready and will thwart that if at all possible.
Incidentally Russia is done with defence, they will not be fighting another war on Russian soil. This is an official stated aim and also expressed by Putin in his Oliver Stone interviews. Their hypersonic missiles and tight, efficient military weapons programme is an offensive one: like a boxer with a good right-hook rather than one wearing extra padding. They do this because it's cheaper and easier than defence. They have no interest in invading Europe: there really is nothing they they want or need, Russia is geared up to defend Russians, Russia - now allied more than ever to China - has no need for us unless we are prepared to be civil and be trading partners like we where up to recently.
BTW the new Russian sanctions have been dropped by Trump, as he pointed out correctly that the Senate can't start these bills, they have to come from the larger House side of Congress. These sanctions were basically banning Russia's energy business.
Meanwhile there is still fighting between Syria and Israel;
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/394097-syria-israel-gol...
Which I think will only stop when US welfare payments to Israel stop, which could well happen when the petrodollar crashes and the depression hits, leaving a small country of religious fanatics rather isolated due to the lack of their large sponsor, who with continual wars they have managed to bleed dry and bring to the brink of disaster.
This statement says all one needs to know about Neocon foreign policy in the region -- even if one knows nothing of the history, the 7-countries strat., etc.The fact it's also now on RT and Assad would have certainly been informed we'll know if it does happen it won't be Assad committing political suicide and stabbing Russia in the back (which a chemical attack by him represents), but the US side wanting to bomb out more of Syria for the split/balkanisation.
It also looks like they are trying to get our SDF terrorists into Raqqa and are now fighting their own creation: ISIS to do it. Remember the Qatar embargo is still having an impact in terrorist support, they can only really count on the US and Saudi now, as post-failed-coup Erdogan has gone right off the US after that double cross and is now supporting Qatar and is still very anti-kurd. I have no time for the greedy, land grabbing kurds BTW. Autonomy is one thing, land theft another.
The Americans assume getting the SDF into Raqqah will give them control over the SDF and that part of Syria, but I wouldn't be surprised if they turn against the US and go back to Assad/Syria one day, and when the US drops the kurds they'll be gone too.
I see US relevance in the area is fading, and if the Fitzgerald incident is related to the Donald Cook one it will be interesting to see what they do in Syria without any ships. The fall of the USSR brought the USSR out of Afghanistan so I expect when the US depression lands on shore that will pull the US out of the middle east. I see signs of some desperate warmongering to convert this depression into a nice big war instead but I suspect Russia/China are ready and will thwart that if at all possible.
Incidentally Russia is done with defence, they will not be fighting another war on Russian soil. This is an official stated aim and also expressed by Putin in his Oliver Stone interviews. Their hypersonic missiles and tight, efficient military weapons programme is an offensive one: like a boxer with a good right-hook rather than one wearing extra padding. They do this because it's cheaper and easier than defence. They have no interest in invading Europe: there really is nothing they they want or need, Russia is geared up to defend Russians, Russia - now allied more than ever to China - has no need for us unless we are prepared to be civil and be trading partners like we where up to recently.
BTW the new Russian sanctions have been dropped by Trump, as he pointed out correctly that the Senate can't start these bills, they have to come from the larger House side of Congress. These sanctions were basically banning Russia's energy business.
Meanwhile there is still fighting between Syria and Israel;
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/394097-syria-israel-gol...
Which I think will only stop when US welfare payments to Israel stop, which could well happen when the petrodollar crashes and the depression hits, leaving a small country of religious fanatics rather isolated due to the lack of their large sponsor, who with continual wars they have managed to bleed dry and bring to the brink of disaster.
"Any further attacks done to the people of Syria will be blamed on Assad, but also on Russia and Iran who support him killing his own people."
This was either a slip-up or they don't even care to hide it anymore.
t?!XM5ER said:
Pentagon Says It Detected 'Active Preparations' By Syria for Chemical Attack
http://time.com/4834618/pentagon-syria-chemical-at...
I read this as "Syria is trying to mend the airfield we bombed, and that's all the excuse we need to bomb it again".http://time.com/4834618/pentagon-syria-chemical-at...
Transparent. Pathetic. Who's side are we on?
scherzkeks said:
This statement says all one needs to know about Neocon foreign policy in the region -- even if one knows nothing of the history, the 7-countries strat., etc.
"Any further attacks done to the people of Syria will be blamed on Assad, but also on Russia and Iran who support him killing his own people."
This was either a slip-up or they don't even care to hide it anymore.
I don't think they need to care anymore. "Any further attacks done to the people of Syria will be blamed on Assad, but also on Russia and Iran who support him killing his own people."
This was either a slip-up or they don't even care to hide it anymore.
9/11 was full of impossible events and contradictions, Hillary blatantly deserved 10 years for mishandling classified intel: no one will investigate or prosecute so they get away with it. The top of the US appears entirely lawless and has been for some time. The illegal invasion of Iraq: no one punished, Libya: no one punished, Syria, clearly breaching international and domestic US law: not even stopped.
No one ever stops them so why should they care?
The statement was an invitation to anyone in the region to stage an attack.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-27/us-baits-...
America has been after Syria for around 60 years now, they are running out of time as Syria is making progress re-capturing it's own territory so I fully expect the US to deliver on their promise of a chemical attack.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/04/trumps-bomb...
Some more info on the last false chemical attack that wasn't:
http://thesaker.is/seymour-hersh-leaks-the-true-st...
It's a bit like the Israeli-ISIS agreement, ISIS lobs over a shell to empty space in Golan heights and Israel invades Syrian airspace and blows away some SAA asset and murders a few Syrians for good measure. It's illegal air strikes on demand for ISIS.
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