Meanwhile, In Syria
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Of course the articles are not balanced: NO article on Syria is!!
You'll find it more difficult to prove any of the content wrong however - but hey, post something it says that you disagree with - they are not really opinion pieces but are full of events and dates - none of which have been disputed.
We get the zio-neocon narrative drummed into us everyday so I present the view from the other side - it seems that some people feel a courtroom would be better with just the prosecution and no defence - but justice works better when we see the views of both sides presented - so why are some PH'ers so keen to be ostriches and bury their head in the swamp?
Here's another bunch of Americans (Veterans!) who write about Russia wiping out 2000+ terrorists in the past 11 days:
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/09/30/russian-a...
Something the US has never done.
You may care to wonder why the US wasn't doing this years ago and why it's been the job of Hezbollah, Iran, Syria and Russia - all of which we are told are 'bad' - to kill terrorists for the past 5 years.
Why are we told that the terrorists are bad and the people killing the terrorists are bad? How does that work exactly?
Meanwhile the US is still pouring weapons into Syria to prolong the war which means more will die and be destroyed - but we're told the US are 'good'.
Additionally you may wish to wonder why the US special forces bases are so chummy with ISIS and Al Qaeda - weren't they supposed to be the enemy? I'm sure that's what the BBC told me...
https://www.rt.com/news/404365-us-special-forces-i...
https://www.rt.com/usa/344529-special-forces-isis-...
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/areas-us-spe...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-13/video-eme...
How US weapons get there:
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/404438-us-hardware-terr...
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/404311-us-pentagon-arms...
Perhaps RT is considered 'biased' because it's too damned accurate: This is pretty much on the nose:
https://www.rt.com/news/405185-hezbollah-kurdistan...
One small point one needs to bear in mind is that the US is ILLEGALLY in Syria and before Russia turned up ISIL were winning.
Another is that war in Syria helps not a single American citizen in any way. There are currently at least 10 US bases on Syrian soil, all illegal, all paid for by the US taxpayer, all which have to go, despite Israel's determination to split off a part of it.
You'll find it more difficult to prove any of the content wrong however - but hey, post something it says that you disagree with - they are not really opinion pieces but are full of events and dates - none of which have been disputed.
We get the zio-neocon narrative drummed into us everyday so I present the view from the other side - it seems that some people feel a courtroom would be better with just the prosecution and no defence - but justice works better when we see the views of both sides presented - so why are some PH'ers so keen to be ostriches and bury their head in the swamp?
Here's another bunch of Americans (Veterans!) who write about Russia wiping out 2000+ terrorists in the past 11 days:
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/09/30/russian-a...
Something the US has never done.
You may care to wonder why the US wasn't doing this years ago and why it's been the job of Hezbollah, Iran, Syria and Russia - all of which we are told are 'bad' - to kill terrorists for the past 5 years.
Why are we told that the terrorists are bad and the people killing the terrorists are bad? How does that work exactly?
Meanwhile the US is still pouring weapons into Syria to prolong the war which means more will die and be destroyed - but we're told the US are 'good'.
Additionally you may wish to wonder why the US special forces bases are so chummy with ISIS and Al Qaeda - weren't they supposed to be the enemy? I'm sure that's what the BBC told me...
https://www.rt.com/news/404365-us-special-forces-i...
https://www.rt.com/usa/344529-special-forces-isis-...
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/areas-us-spe...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-13/video-eme...
How US weapons get there:
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/404438-us-hardware-terr...
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/404311-us-pentagon-arms...
Perhaps RT is considered 'biased' because it's too damned accurate: This is pretty much on the nose:
https://www.rt.com/news/405185-hezbollah-kurdistan...
One small point one needs to bear in mind is that the US is ILLEGALLY in Syria and before Russia turned up ISIL were winning.
Another is that war in Syria helps not a single American citizen in any way. There are currently at least 10 US bases on Syrian soil, all illegal, all paid for by the US taxpayer, all which have to go, despite Israel's determination to split off a part of it.
Globs said:
Of course the articles are not balanced: NO article on Syria is!!
Absolutely, although it only requires a modicum of objectivity and commonsense to see the whole thing was doomed to be a misadventure of epic proportions - again - for Uncle Sam and thus an open goal for other participants in this particular poli-geoengineering project.I've no idea what they think they are going to achieve apart from racking up another trillion of debt, arming their enemy and pissing off people they'd be better not pissing off. For all the 'can-do' attitude, they really 'can't-do' at all, as has been shown repeatedly since WWII - talking of which, are they due another visit to the Korean Peninsular soon - it's been 60 years, surely overdue...
There's no particular conspiracy, it's just hapless bungling they prefer to dress up as 'making the world 'safe'. Yeah, thanks for that....
andy_s said:
Globs said:
Of course the articles are not balanced: NO article on Syria is!!
Absolutely, although it only requires a modicum of objectivity and commonsense to see the whole thing was doomed to be a misadventure of epic proportions - again - for Uncle Sam and thus an open goal for other participants in this particular poli-geoengineering project.I've no idea what they think they are going to achieve apart from racking up another trillion of debt, arming their enemy and pissing off people they'd be better not pissing off. For all the 'can-do' attitude, they really 'can't-do' at all, as has been shown repeatedly since WWII - talking of which, are they due another visit to the Korean Peninsular soon - it's been 60 years, surely overdue...
There's no particular conspiracy, it's just hapless bungling they prefer to dress up as 'making the world 'safe'. Yeah, thanks for that....
It gives justification for the USA's huge army military machines existence and finally it makes the government look good which makes Americans feel patriotic.
frankenstein12 said:
In simple terms it creates jobs and money... US arms companies, military transport companies, etc etc etc all of whom employing US workers.
It gives justification for the USA's huge army military machines existence and finally it makes the government look good which makes Americans feel patriotic.
...and yes of course, cui bono...It gives justification for the USA's huge army military machines existence and finally it makes the government look good which makes Americans feel patriotic.
andy_s said:
Driller said:
What, you mean like from the BBC, Sky and The New York Times etc?
I also find it very strange how most people seem almost proud to stick their head in the sand and refuse to question anything they hear.
My wife does it too-shesays she doesn't want to believe anything else because that way she feels "safe".
Edited by Driller on Monday 2nd October 06:52
An interesting article on the SAA, trying to understand why and how the Syrian military survived the onslaught over the last 6 years.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-01/pax-syria...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-01/pax-syria...
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 2nd October 15:36
frankenstein12 said:
In simple terms it creates jobs and money... US arms companies, military transport companies, etc etc etc all of whom employing US workers.
It gives justification for the USA's huge army military machines existence and finally it makes the government look good which makes Americans feel patriotic.
Syria is not driving large scale UOR procurement in the same way that Iraq / Afghan did. Many of the threats are very similar so kit and doctrine that was introduced for these environments is still, mostly, applicable to Syria. It gives justification for the USA's huge army military machines existence and finally it makes the government look good which makes Americans feel patriotic.
Yes, our sales are up significantly but this is driven through other things, chiefly cyber
schmalex said:
frankenstein12 said:
In simple terms it creates jobs and money... US arms companies, military transport companies, etc etc etc all of whom employing US workers.
It gives justification for the USA's huge army military machines existence and finally it makes the government look good which makes Americans feel patriotic.
Syria is not driving large scale UOR procurement in the same way that Iraq / Afghan did. Many of the threats are very similar so kit and doctrine that was introduced for these environments is still, mostly, applicable to Syria. It gives justification for the USA's huge army military machines existence and finally it makes the government look good which makes Americans feel patriotic.
Yes, our sales are up significantly but this is driven through other things, chiefly cyber
Trying to get an F680 for some of those organisations is close to impossible, meaning that we simply can't supply them under any circumstances.
The US side of the business can sell to very different clients, but we're very strictly controlled by HMG and work extremely closely with MoD to ensure there is absolute traceability of supply.
I run export sales to all regions outside FVEY for my employer, so spend half my life wading through due process (quite correctly, as there are some states and organisations that one really wouldn't want to have access to certain capabilities).
The US side of the business can sell to very different clients, but we're very strictly controlled by HMG and work extremely closely with MoD to ensure there is absolute traceability of supply.
I run export sales to all regions outside FVEY for my employer, so spend half my life wading through due process (quite correctly, as there are some states and organisations that one really wouldn't want to have access to certain capabilities).
Edited by schmalex on Monday 2nd October 13:54
schmalex said:
Trying to get an F680 for some of those organisations is close to impossible, meaning that we simply supply them.
The US side of the business can sell to very different clients, but we're very strictly controlled by HMG.
The catch here though is the weaponry is not supplied directly but rather via back channels and diplomatic channels to circumnavigate normal rules.The US side of the business can sell to very different clients, but we're very strictly controlled by HMG.
Really. I can promise that it's not. For UK businesses, that really doesn't happen for restricted or above equipment.
For very good reasons, we're massively regulated both here and abroad.
The romantic view of arms dealers bouncing from country to country and doing shady deals with dodgy characters is very outdated. Yes, we travel a lot and go to some of the less salubrious places on earth but everything has to be planned to the Nth degree and fully authorised. Anyone who works for a Western business in this industry knows that, to be able to sell anywhere, you have to have an in depth knowledge of import and export processes and ensure you are always on the correct side of the law in whichever country you are operating in, as well as that in your own country, with full documentary evidence supporting the traceability of supplies.
Yes, we all have very strong networks and work in countries with less than glowing reputations, but this doesn't stop us being totally ethical as that is what is demanded by HMG. I wouldn't have it any other way and have (and will continue to) walked away from deals that don't sit right, or where brown envelopes are mentioned.
For very good reasons, we're massively regulated both here and abroad.
The romantic view of arms dealers bouncing from country to country and doing shady deals with dodgy characters is very outdated. Yes, we travel a lot and go to some of the less salubrious places on earth but everything has to be planned to the Nth degree and fully authorised. Anyone who works for a Western business in this industry knows that, to be able to sell anywhere, you have to have an in depth knowledge of import and export processes and ensure you are always on the correct side of the law in whichever country you are operating in, as well as that in your own country, with full documentary evidence supporting the traceability of supplies.
Yes, we all have very strong networks and work in countries with less than glowing reputations, but this doesn't stop us being totally ethical as that is what is demanded by HMG. I wouldn't have it any other way and have (and will continue to) walked away from deals that don't sit right, or where brown envelopes are mentioned.
Edited by schmalex on Monday 2nd October 14:06
schmalex said:
Really. I can promise that it's not. For UK businesses, that really doesn't happen for restricted or above equipment.
For very good reasons, we're massively regulated both here and abroad.
The romantic view of arms dealers bouncing from country to country and doing shady deals with dodgy characters is very outdated. Yes, we travel a lot and go to some of the less salubrious places on earth but everything has to be planned to the Nth degree and fully authorised. Anyone who works for a Western business in this industry knows that, to be able to sell anywhere, you have to have an in depth knowledge of import and export processes and ensure you are always on the correct side of the law in whichever country you are operating in, as well as that in your own country, with full documentary evidence supporting the traceability of supplies.
Yes, we all have very strong networks and work in countries with less than glowing reputations, but this doesn't stop us being totally ethical as that is what is demanded by HMG. I wouldn't have it any other way and have (and will continue to) walked away from deals that don't sit right, or where brown envelopes are mentioned.
Not claiming UK government behaving in that manner.. It is well known the US government is though..For very good reasons, we're massively regulated both here and abroad.
The romantic view of arms dealers bouncing from country to country and doing shady deals with dodgy characters is very outdated. Yes, we travel a lot and go to some of the less salubrious places on earth but everything has to be planned to the Nth degree and fully authorised. Anyone who works for a Western business in this industry knows that, to be able to sell anywhere, you have to have an in depth knowledge of import and export processes and ensure you are always on the correct side of the law in whichever country you are operating in, as well as that in your own country, with full documentary evidence supporting the traceability of supplies.
Yes, we all have very strong networks and work in countries with less than glowing reputations, but this doesn't stop us being totally ethical as that is what is demanded by HMG. I wouldn't have it any other way and have (and will continue to) walked away from deals that don't sit right, or where brown envelopes are mentioned.
Edited by schmalex on Monday 2nd October 14:06
frankenstein12 said:
Not claiming UK government behaving in that manner.. It is well known the US government is though..
Frank,Not disputing what you say about the US but do you have incontrovertible proof of US based illegal arms sales say in the past couple of years?
This does not count arms 'stolen' from authorized end customers/users as can of course happen in any conflict.
Phil
The latest evidence of illegal arm sales.
https://youtu.be/o7pMDdGNRVI
Remember how vehicles purchased for the "not Islamic fundamentalist at all free Syrian army" somehow just happened to land up being used by ISIS. Coincidence. Of course.
The trucks were just delivered to the wrong address. Simple mistake. Happens all the time.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/14/us/terror-truck-...
https://youtu.be/o7pMDdGNRVI
Remember how vehicles purchased for the "not Islamic fundamentalist at all free Syrian army" somehow just happened to land up being used by ISIS. Coincidence. Of course.
The trucks were just delivered to the wrong address. Simple mistake. Happens all the time.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/14/us/terror-truck-...
In a case of the Empire Strikes Back the US/ISIS/SDF forces have now counter attacked in Syria on three fronts and since the US special forces turned up precision pinpoint attacks on Russian military advisors and generals has started.
This is a pretty good summary of the situation:
https://journal-neo.org/2017/10/03/how-washington-...
This is the US plan B in action: Balkanisation (divide the land).
Additionally the Israeli defense minister is disappointed Assad is winning against ISIS and demanding that the US does something about it - which it now is.
https://www.rt.com/news/405540-israel-syria-us-rus...
https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&q=In...
I wonder if anyone still believes the myth that ISIS was formed by chance and the US was ever fighting them. If so they may not for much longer - however much the western media try to keep it under wraps.
This is a pretty good summary of the situation:
https://journal-neo.org/2017/10/03/how-washington-...
article said:
Mere days after the launch of an ISIS offensive, the Kurds began seizing oil fields along the east bank of the Euphrates river. It was reported that they occupied the Jafra oil field, heading to the largest oil field in Syria – al-Omar. While the US demonstrates its utter lack of cooperation with its Syrian and Russian “partners” in the fight against terrorism by freezing all military flights across the west bank the Euphrates river for at least a week, granting ISIS a massive area of operations, the east is occupied by SDF forces, forcing Damascus to abandon its plan of regaining control over its own oil fields and instead focusing on its efforts on eliminating ISIS forces.
Essentially the US has allowed/created/directed 6000 ISIS troops to attack in multiple places assisted with precision mortar strikes and intelligence of the type ISIS simply doesn't have. The Kurds/Israel/ISIS/SDF/US team has clubbed together and Syria has got a fight on 3 fronts with diversions while it's rich Dier EzZor oilfields are being stolen.This is the US plan B in action: Balkanisation (divide the land).
Additionally the Israeli defense minister is disappointed Assad is winning against ISIS and demanding that the US does something about it - which it now is.
https://www.rt.com/news/405540-israel-syria-us-rus...
https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&q=In...
I wonder if anyone still believes the myth that ISIS was formed by chance and the US was ever fighting them. If so they may not for much longer - however much the western media try to keep it under wraps.
My word.
Let me share with you my experience with RT.
I had 1st hand knowledge of an event. RT reported it as something else with a huge anti NATO spin. They are fake news, propaganda controlled by the highest echelons on the RussianMafia Government in order to present the narrative to the target audience, wherever or whoever that may be.
The thing is with the likes of Sputnik and RT, those who want to be subjected to it, will never question it. Those who question it and are within the reach of the Russian state, end up either in prison, or worse. Finally, those who are outside of the Russian states influence and don't believe it, just chuckle to themselves and the absurdity. Oh and then there are those outside of the Russian states influence who believe it. I don't know what to make of them.
Let me share with you my experience with RT.
I had 1st hand knowledge of an event. RT reported it as something else with a huge anti NATO spin. They are fake news, propaganda controlled by the highest echelons on the Russian
The thing is with the likes of Sputnik and RT, those who want to be subjected to it, will never question it. Those who question it and are within the reach of the Russian state, end up either in prison, or worse. Finally, those who are outside of the Russian states influence and don't believe it, just chuckle to themselves and the absurdity. Oh and then there are those outside of the Russian states influence who believe it. I don't know what to make of them.
stevesingo said:
My word.
Let me share with you my experience with RT.
I had 1st hand knowledge of an event. RT reported it as something else with a huge anti NATO spin. They are fake news, propaganda controlled by the highest echelons on the RussianMafia Government in order to present the narrative to the target audience, wherever or whoever that may be.
The thing is with the likes of Sputnik and RT, those who want to be subjected to it, will never question it. Those who question it and are within the reach of the Russian state, end up either in prison, or worse. Finally, those who are outside of the Russian states influence and don't believe it, just chuckle to themselves and the absurdity. Oh and then there are those outside of the Russian states influence who believe it. I don't know what to make of them.
You do understand that media in most parts of the world can be controlled and manipulated by governments and government organisations right??Let me share with you my experience with RT.
I had 1st hand knowledge of an event. RT reported it as something else with a huge anti NATO spin. They are fake news, propaganda controlled by the highest echelons on the Russian
The thing is with the likes of Sputnik and RT, those who want to be subjected to it, will never question it. Those who question it and are within the reach of the Russian state, end up either in prison, or worse. Finally, those who are outside of the Russian states influence and don't believe it, just chuckle to themselves and the absurdity. Oh and then there are those outside of the Russian states influence who believe it. I don't know what to make of them.
Yes sometimes RT reports utter b
ks but then I have seen British papers write utter bks too.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff