Meanwhile, In Syria

[Biker 1]

stuckmojo said:

No word on Yemen lately, come to think of it. Yet people are still being shelled there. Obviously less important as Russians aren't involved.

The Russians are very much involved. They supply Iran, who then arm/advise the 'rebels'.

[chris watton]

It seems our world leaders are determined to have the earth in flames.

And we are told that global warming is the biggest issue we face!

I cannot believe people still accept as gospel what our MSM and politicians say, this latest stunt is so blatant.

[Biker 1]

chris watton said:

It seems our world leaders are determined to have the earth in flames.

Ain't that the truth. All Joe Public wants, be it in Syria, leafy Surrey or Moscow, is peace, quiet & few quid in his pocket. It never ceases to amaze me all this utterly futile war st.

[Atomic12C]

BlackLabel said:

If the rebels had the capability to launch chemical weopon attacks then why don’t they do so against Assad’s troops?

I get the whole “Assad is winning so why the hell would he go down this route” argument however leaders and dictators don’t always act rationally - rational people don’t bomb the hell out of their own civilians in the first place.

A chemical weapon attack is portrayed in the media as planes launching from an airbase and then dropping bombs on civilians,

This is portrayed as requiring all the resources of a government military.


In actual fact, all that is required is the controlled release of chlorine gas (or other biological effective gas) from a store.
It is believed the rebels had captured (or were provided with), chlorine gas containers.
This has speculation on who provided this 'resource', as it could have come from ISIS (who make up some of the 'moderate rebel' militia), or it could have come from Al Queda (who also make up some of the 'moderate rebel militia'), or it could have been that Assad had an illegal store of these chemicals that the rebels gained control over.


Assad not acting rationally?
Well, the players of Iran, Syria and Russia are all acting together on strategy. Who meet the opposition of Isreal and the USA who are the tacticians from the west.

It was actually said a few weeks back on one website that it was believed the rebels were planning to stage another chlorine attack.
(If I can track that down I'll post it up - but at the end of the day the whole situation is a mire of information wars. so make of that what you will)



edit to add...
the other likelihood is of course that there hasn't been a chlorine gas attack or 'controlled release' at all.
Russia are calling for an inspection but the USA want to skip that step and take action irrespective. This smells like the USA are aware of the high probability that this may have been staged, but instead view this as a simple opportunity to dive in for their original goal of regime change.

Edited by Atomic12C on Tuesday 10th April 10:42

[Octoposse]

Going to out myself here, as a long term Guardian (the self confessed “World’s leading liberal voice”) reader. That newspaper’s been running a strong pro-war line re Syria for years now.

To start with it was mainly agitating for the RAF to provide air cover for jihads, but that’s escalated to thrice-weekly “eat death rag-heads!” articles (OK, to be scrupulously fair, they don’t put it quite like that. The only time I was aware of Jo Cox before her murder was a co-authored - with Andrew Mitchell - Guardian article calling for a “military component . . . focusing on civilian protection . . . . and signalling intent to Russia”). Apart from being ludicrous, it’s also particularly sickening as it won’t be their kids or the kids of their Hampstead dinner party mates that will be shipped off to do some “intent signalling” – they’ll be far too busy with all those unpaid internships or researcher posts with political parties, media companies and NGOs.

It'll be me or my kids (figuratively speaking - I'm too old and they're too young right now). Still got several pairs of my old army boots and some '58 webbing in the loft though if they need extras for WWIII.

Simon Tisdall in The Guardian 09/04 said:

It means destroying Assad’s combat planes, bombers, helicopters and ground facilities from the air. It means challenging Assad’s and Russia’s control of Syrian airspace. It means taking out Iranian military bases and batteries in Syria if they are used to prosecute the war. And it means keeping up the pressure when they push back, which they will, until Putin, his Damascene partner-in-war-crimes, and Iran’s cocky Revolutionary Guard commanders get the message, feel the pain, count the escalating cost . . . .

Yeah, war with Syria and Iran and Hezbollah and Iraq . . . and Russia. WTF?

The Times today has an interesting take in its paper edition - Teresa May and Britain "risk losing influence" if they (we!) don't join the Franco-US assault on the sovereign state of Syria and its allies. I've never protested in my life (did write to my MP last time we were on the brink of going to war against Syria, a few years ago), but not going to sit back this time.

[Sa Calobra]

Apart from the 20secs of footage of people hosing themselves down is there any actual proof?

The talk coming out of America is worrying. Who made them the world Police?

Every country they get involved in goes sideways. Except Vietnam that ejected them.

[rossub]

Sa Calobra said:

Every country they get involved in goes sideways. Except Vietnam that ejected them.

It's not just them. Look what happened in Libya - good old Dave being cheered by the locals..... oops look how that has ended up.

I think it's sometimes just better to leave dictators where they are because the fallout is worse - Iraq, Libya...

Edited by rossub on Tuesday 10th April 13:25

[Pupp]

rossub said:

I think it's sometimes it's just better to leave dictators where they are because the fallout is worse - Iraq, Libya...

Germany...?

[Kccv23highliftcam]

grumbledoak said:

Atomic12C said:

Assad is slowly 'winning' this war, there would be no gain for him to give the USA a 'free ride in' by using chemical weapons.

I guess in the absence of trustworthy news there should be a reality check on simple logic.

+3

False flag. Fake news. Just to give Israel or the US the excuse they have been waiting for.

And insultingly blatantly done. We know it's crap. They know we know. And they don't give a st.

^^^^this^^^^

[rossub]

Yeah I'll give you that one!

[Sa Calobra]

rossub said:

Sa Calobra said:

Every country they get involved in goes sideways. Except Vietnam that ejected them.

It's not just them. Look what happened in Libya - good old Dave being cheered by the locals..... oops look how that has ended up.

I think it's sometimes just better to leave dictators where they are because the fallout is worse - Iraq, Libya...

Edited by rossub on Tuesday 10th April 13:25

Afghanistan. Plenty of civilian deaths.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

This is why John Bolton is so dangerous and especially now in the current geopolitical climate.

George HW Bush, called him one of the "crazies". Dr Strangelove is becoming reality without the humour.

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/04/05/coming-attra...

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Octoposse said:

Yeah, war with Syria and Iran and Hezbollah and Iraq . . . and Russia. WTF?

The Times today has an interesting take in its paper edition - Teresa May and Britain "risk losing influence" if they (we!) don't join the Franco-US assault on the sovereign state of Syria and its allies. I've never protested in my life (did write to my MP last time we were on the brink of going to war against Syria, a few years ago), but not going to sit back this time.

+1

[Ruskie]

In other news, I have received confirmation I’m going to Syria in next few weeks working on the humanitarian/health care effort. Obviously things can change very quickly but hopefully war on a global scale won’t break out as it might be shelved. It will be interesting to see it win my own eyes as I did in Mosul last year.

[Murph7355]

We should be encouraging Russia and Iran to leave the country and help us enforce a no fly zone.

Let Assad slug it out as long as no dirty arms are used..

[BlackLabel]

Ruskie said:

In other news, I have received confirmation I’m going to Syria in next few weeks working on the humanitarian/health care effort. Obviously things can change very quickly but hopefully war on a global scale won’t break out as it might be shelved. It will be interesting to see it win my own eyes as I did in Mosul last year.

What a great thing you’re doing. Wishing you all the best.

[grumbledoak]

Murph7355 said:

We should be encouraging Russia and Iran to leave the country and help us enforce a no fly zone.

Let Assad slug it out as long as no dirty arms are used..

:notsureifseriousmeme:

Who do you think Assad is "slugging it out" with?

You are suggesting that Syria's allies agree not to help Syria, while the US provides air cover for the laughably-called-moderate "rebels".

[Murph7355]

grumbledoak said:

:notsureifseriousmeme:

Who do you think Assad is "slugging it out" with?

You are suggesting that Syria's allies agree not to help Syria, while the US provides air cover for the laughably-called-moderate "rebels".

I didn't suggest we should keep being involved (though tbh I wasn't aware we were - not looked at the country for a while. Last I looked ISIS were the big deal there).

[frankenstein12]

Murph7355 said:

grumbledoak said:

:notsureifseriousmeme:

Who do you think Assad is "slugging it out" with?

You are suggesting that Syria's allies agree not to help Syria, while the US provides air cover for the laughably-called-moderate "rebels".

I didn't suggest we should keep being involved (though tbh I wasn't aware we were - not looked at the country for a while. Last I looked ISIS were the big deal there).

And isis were getting weapons intel and vehicles from.....the moderate rebels who were getting them from...The USA.

The USA has its fingerprints all over this from the very start. They have been trying to emove Assad from the getgo and when their initial attempt by creating a rebel cause didnt work they started supplying the so called rebels with weapons intel etc along with a number of other western governments who then joined in.

They have got around various international rules by shipping the weaponry on diplomatic aircraft etc.

Most interesting was a comment by the Russians at the UNHC yesterday where they blatantly accused the US of arming ISIS which is very close to home truth. They accused the UK of using the skripol case and the US of using the faked chem weapons attack in an attempt to overthrow Assad and they did so openly.

Good on them although of course the US and nikki haley ignored their accusations entirely.

[JensenA]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Octoposse said:

Yeah, war with Syria and Iran and Hezbollah and Iraq . . . and Russia. WTF?

The Times today has an interesting take in its paper edition - Teresa May and Britain "risk losing influence" if they (we!) don't join the Franco-US assault on the sovereign state of Syria and its allies. I've never protested in my life (did write to my MP last time we were on the brink of going to war against Syria, a few years ago), but not going to sit back this time.

+1

+1

The whole situation is bizarre and worrying. There is no proof of a chemical weapon attack, there is no evidence. Logic and common sense make it unbelievable that Assad and Russia would use chemical weapons. And yet the response of the West is as if they have irrefutable proof that a chemical weapon attack took place! WTF is going on?