Mortgage and cohabitation

Mortgage and cohabitation

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knk

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272 months

Tuesday 10th September 2013
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I am buying a new place with my girlfriend.
She is providing £100k towards the deposit, I am providing £225k and I am planning a mortgage of £475k as a sole borrower and I will be responsible for all payments.
We will enter a cohabitation agreement showing the property owed as tennants in common, her share 1/8, mine 7/8.

Any problems to foresee? Are the mortgage lenders likely to be happy? Is it an A2?

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Tuesday 10th September 2013
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1/8 doesn't reflect her capital contribution.

Jobbo

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265 months

Tuesday 10th September 2013
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Eric Mc said:
1/8 doesn't reflect her capital contribution.
In what way? £800k property, she puts in £100k.

I'm not sure how the cohabitation agreement will work, though. You can't be tenants in common if the property isn't jointly owned. Need to have some sort of declaration of trust, but she's not properly protected unless she's on the Land Registry title. But if she's not on the mortgage (and if she were, she'd be jointly and severally liable for it), she can't be on the title.

So, not straightforward and whatever is accepted by the mortgagee, she'll need independent legal advice.

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 10th September 2013
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Jobbo said:
Eric Mc said:
1/8 doesn't reflect her capital contribution.
In what way? £800k property, she puts in £100k.

I'm not sure how the cohabitation agreement will work, though. You can't be tenants in common if the property isn't jointly owned. Need to have some sort of declaration of trust, but she's not properly protected unless she's on the Land Registry title. But if she's not on the mortgage (and if she were, she'd be jointly and severally liable for it), she can't be on the title.

So, not straightforward and whatever is accepted by the mortgagee, she'll need independent legal advice.
I was thinking of the deposits that were mentioned. The full ratio of 8 to 1 only works out over the life of the mortgage. What happens if things go bad in the first few months or the very early years of the set up?

Jobbo

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Tuesday 10th September 2013
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Eric Mc said:
I was thinking of the deposits that were mentioned. The full ratio of 8 to 1 only works out over the life of the mortgage. What happens if things go bad in the first few months or the very early years of the set up?
But he's taking responsibility for the entire mortgage (in his sole name, he's paying all of it). If the property is sold for a loss at £600k, she would expect to get 1/8th of that back, i.e. £75,000, and he'd get the balance after redeeming the mortgage (£50k). Conversely, if it goes up in value to £1m and is sold, she'd get £125,000 back and he'd get £400k. Greater risk and greater reward.

knk

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Tuesday 10th September 2013
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Jobbo, Eric, thanks.
Jobbo, that is how I saw it.

Would it be easier to get a joint mortgage, tennants-in-common. so split 337.5/800 : 462.5/800 (easier from a legal and mortgage point of view)?

kam

Jobbo

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Tuesday 10th September 2013
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Unless she has a bad credit history or a tiny salary, yes - it'll probably be easier to do it as a joint mortgage and joint names on the title.

Sarnie

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210 months

Tuesday 10th September 2013
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Mortgage lenders will not accept an application where an element of the deposit is being provided by someone who will live at the property but not be named on the mortgage. smile

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 10th September 2013
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Exactly.

And she's taking an awful risk, in my opinion.

knk

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Tuesday 10th September 2013
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Great. Thanks all for the advice.
I will have a chat with her and we will go for a joint mortgage.

knk

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Tuesday 10th September 2013
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And she is definately taking a big risk, living with me!

Jonathan27

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165 months

Tuesday 10th September 2013
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Sarnie said:
Mortgage lenders will not accept an application where an element of the deposit is being provided by someone who will live at the property but not be named on the mortgage. smile
They did for me.

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 10th September 2013
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knk said:
And she is definately taking a big risk, living with me!
She's obviously a very trusting girl.

Hang on to her smile

Sarnie

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Tuesday 10th September 2013
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Jonathan27 said:
They did for me.
There's always one! ha.

Naturally I can't cover every single permutation, but in general, most lenders will not entertain an element of deposit to be from someone who will live at the property but not be on the mortgage, as that person could try to claim rights to the property based on their contribution to the deposit. Lenders always think in terms of repossession which could get messy if they have a sitting tenant refusing to leave who is claiming a legal right over the property but is not liable for any of the debt....

Lancerevo

175 posts

144 months

Tuesday 10th September 2013
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Declaration of trust is the way to go saved me a fortune when split with my ex.

KFC

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131 months

Wednesday 11th September 2013
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Eric Mc said:
Exactly.

And she's taking an awful risk, in my opinion.
Why is she taking an awful risk?

To me she seems to be getting the better end of the deal. She's only putting in £100k, living mortgage free yet enjoying the benefit of living in a £800k house?

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 11th September 2013
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Just because someone claims a house is worth £800,000 doesn't mean it is.

knk

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Wednesday 11th September 2013
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I think the main element of risk is living with a misanthropic curmudgeon (that is me by the way).
I think the house is fairly priced (but will try to get it for less, of course), having looked for a year and lived in the area for 10, but we will see if it comes up to valuation and what the survey shows up.

Kam