Crypto Currency Thread

Crypto Currency Thread

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DonkeyApple

55,695 posts

170 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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Behemoth said:
DonkeyApple said:
The post crypto fkwit harvesting will yield bumper returns for all those who make their living getting fkwits to give them money.
Already has done. Many of the fleecers have already well and truly fleeced.
Someone was telling me over the weekend that all the cryptards are being steered into cannabis stocks as a means for getting all their money back and those stocks are now going mental?

Behemoth

2,105 posts

132 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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DonkeyApple said:
Someone was telling me over the weekend that all the cryptards are being steered into cannabis stocks as a means for getting all their money back and those stocks are now going mental?
Maybe they think it's better than smoking hopium. I know little about it, except that whilst the trade is regulated and perfectly legal in some US states, the segment finds it extremely difficult to establish stable banking relationships. Most entities run scared regardless because of perceived high regulatory overheads.

DonkeyApple

55,695 posts

170 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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Behemoth said:
DonkeyApple said:
Someone was telling me over the weekend that all the cryptards are being steered into cannabis stocks as a means for getting all their money back and those stocks are now going mental?
Maybe they think it's better than smoking hopium. I know little about it, except that whilst the trade is regulated and perfectly legal in some US states, the segment finds it extremely difficult to establish stable banking relationships. Most entities run scared regardless because of perceived high regulatory overheads.
Sounds like an industry of really cool Mavericks ‘sticking it to the man’ and trying to make the world a better place despite the evil bankers trying to destroy them. Should be easy to get cryptards onboard.

If it’s hapoening out of Canada then even better. They have decades of experience in packaging up worthless and fraudulent businesses and listing them at penny prices to ramp up to goldtards.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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Thesprucegoose said:
btc down 14% in 7 days

erh nearly 40%

It really isn't stopping no recvery, i just can't see how it can recover as too many people have been/being burnt.
As I have said many times, Crypto (and blockchain for that matter) is a solution looking for a problem. It is just a speculative gamble and so far it is of no actual use to anyone.

It is becoming clear that all of the coins which were nothing more than a white paper are never going to amount to anything and hence people are pulling out their money.

It's all smoke and mirrors and FOMO (before December 2017 anyway) early adopters made millions and everyone else wanted to make free money so bought in pushing up the price.


jonamv8

3,161 posts

167 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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Joey Deacon said:
Thesprucegoose said:
btc down 14% in 7 days

erh nearly 40%

It really isn't stopping no recvery, i just can't see how it can recover as too many people have been/being burnt.
As I have said many times, Crypto (and blockchain for that matter) is a solution looking for a problem. It is just a speculative gamble and so far it is of no actual use to anyone.

It is becoming clear that all of the coins which were nothing more than a white paper are never going to amount to anything and hence people are pulling out their money.

It's all smoke and mirrors and FOMO (before December 2017 anyway) early adopters made millions and everyone else wanted to make free money so bought in pushing up the price.
Certainly looks that way right now... Although I've still got a few £K in ADA that was profit from LTC that I couldn't pull out and I'm happy that I still have a ticket to the raffle so to speak. That said would I be happy if it were my hard earner.... not right now NO

dimots

3,106 posts

91 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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Re: Cannabis stocks - It’s driven by the potential of the CBD market.

Bitcoin is smoke and mirrors Jesus Christ I despair.

CSLM3CSL

321 posts

144 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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I think Cryptos are going to be the net dot com bubble, possibly the biggest bubble we've ever seen. I think a lot more people will invest because they are so difficult to value (even if that is because they're not really worth anything) unlike like stocks where you can look at p/e ratios etc to value them. The main advantage people will see will be the avoidance of capital gains taxes in most countries. E.g your Bitcoin Cash is now worth enough to buy to buy a Bentley you could go to the dealership and pay for the car with Crypto currency whereas if you sold the Crypto currency for cash then you would be liable for capital gains tax.
Another factor is that this is a global bubble, I presume there weren't many people from China, Japan etc buying into the dot com shares compared to the number who will invest in Crypto currency. I think the selloff we are seeing now is fully justified with the huge gains in the last 12 months but they will bottom out and start rising again within the next six months.

Obviously there is a risk that these coins will become worthless so only gamble what you can afford to lose but I personally think having a small amount of your investment portfolio invested in Crypto currency could be worth the gamble at the current levels. I have invested a small amount myself purely as gamble but to put the amount into perspective I've placed bigger bets on football matches or the roulette table. Unfortunately if we get to the mania phase of the bubble then we will have not so sensible people putting their life savings in and these will be the people that get badly burnt.

NRS

22,250 posts

202 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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Em, have you been living in a hole? We're coming out the back of a bubble now, where a lot of stupid/greedy people have been burnt!

DonkeyApple

55,695 posts

170 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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dimots said:
Re: Cannabis stocks - It’s driven by the potential of the CBD market.

Bitcoin is smoke and mirrors Jesus Christ I despair.
It really has no relevance at all. If dumb money is flowing in then that is what will be driving it and it will end up with the exact same set of charts as all penny stocks, crypto coins and fidget spinner sales.

DonkeyApple

55,695 posts

170 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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CSLM3CSL said:
I think Cryptos are going to be the net dot com bubble, possibly the biggest bubble we've ever seen. I think a lot more people will invest because they are so difficult to value (even if that is because they're not really worth anything) unlike like stocks where you can look at p/e ratios etc to value them. The main advantage people will see will be the avoidance of capital gains taxes in most countries. E.g your Bitcoin Cash is now worth enough to buy to buy a Bentley you could go to the dealership and pay for the car with Crypto currency whereas if you sold the Crypto currency for cash then you would be liable for capital gains tax.
Another factor is that this is a global bubble, I presume there weren't many people from China, Japan etc buying into the dot com shares compared to the number who will invest in Crypto currency. I think the selloff we are seeing now is fully justified with the huge gains in the last 12 months but they will bottom out and start rising again within the next six months.

Obviously there is a risk that these coins will become worthless so only gamble what you can afford to lose but I personally think having a small amount of your investment portfolio invested in Crypto currency could be worth the gamble at the current levels. I have invested a small amount myself purely as gamble but to put the amount into perspective I've placed bigger bets on football matches or the roulette table. Unfortunately if we get to the mania phase of the bubble then we will have not so sensible people putting their life savings in and these will be the people that get badly burnt.
I think this was one of the most sensible and prescient posts from 2016 on the whole crypto saga. I hope the poster bailed with some nice profits.

dimots

3,106 posts

91 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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DonkeyApple said:
It really has no relevance at all. If dumb money is flowing in then that is what will be driving it and it will end up with the exact same set of charts as all penny stocks, crypto coins and fidget spinner sales.
Might be dumb money but it’s the CBD boom that is driving it. What are they investing in exactly? What are ‘cannabis stocks’?

Behemoth

2,105 posts

132 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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DonkeyApple said:
CSLM3CSL said:
The main advantage people will see will be the avoidance of capital gains taxes in most countries. E.g your Bitcoin Cash is now worth enough to buy to buy a Bentley you could go to the dealership and pay for the car with Crypto currency whereas if you sold the Crypto currency for cash then you would be liable for capital gains tax.
I think this was one of the most sensible and prescient posts from 2016 on the whole crypto saga. I hope the poster bailed with some nice profits.
Really? I don't know a jurisdiction where a transfer like this would not be subject to CGT. It's tax evasion and not sensible at all. btw Bitcoin Cash did not exist in 2016. It was created in August 2017.

98elise

26,749 posts

162 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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Behemoth said:
DonkeyApple said:
CSLM3CSL said:
The main advantage people will see will be the avoidance of capital gains taxes in most countries. E.g your Bitcoin Cash is now worth enough to buy to buy a Bentley you could go to the dealership and pay for the car with Crypto currency whereas if you sold the Crypto currency for cash then you would be liable for capital gains tax.
I think this was one of the most sensible and prescient posts from 2016 on the whole crypto saga. I hope the poster bailed with some nice profits.
Really? I don't know a jurisdiction where a transfer like this would not be subject to CGT. It's tax evasion and not sensible at all. btw Bitcoin Cash did not exist in 2016. It was created in August 2017.
I think you missed the point.

p1stonhead

25,621 posts

168 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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Behemoth said:
DonkeyApple said:
CSLM3CSL said:
The main advantage people will see will be the avoidance of capital gains taxes in most countries. E.g your Bitcoin Cash is now worth enough to buy to buy a Bentley you could go to the dealership and pay for the car with Crypto currency whereas if you sold the Crypto currency for cash then you would be liable for capital gains tax.
I think this was one of the most sensible and prescient posts from 2016 on the whole crypto saga. I hope the poster bailed with some nice profits.
Really? I don't know a jurisdiction where a transfer like this would not be subject to CGT. It's tax evasion and not sensible at all. btw Bitcoin Cash did not exist in 2016. It was created in August 2017.
The fact that anyone can simply create another one of these 'currencies' is the problem. Each individual one becomes meaningless especially if you have to convert them back to normal money to spend them.

Behemoth

2,105 posts

132 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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98elise said:
I think you missed the point.
No. The post declares CGT avoidance as the main advantage, so it is the point wink

DonkeyApple

55,695 posts

170 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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Behemoth said:
98elise said:
I think you missed the point.
No. The post declares CGT avoidance as the main advantage, so it is the point wink
You missed the point.

Behemoth

2,105 posts

132 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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DonkeyApple said:
You missed the point.
Whilst it's obvious your quip concerned investing and bailing a year earlier, imo the CGT statement is more important. It's very misleading.

p1stonhead

25,621 posts

168 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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Behemoth said:
DonkeyApple said:
You missed the point.
Whilst it's obvious your quip concerned investing and bailing a year earlier, imo the CGT statement is more important. It's very misleading.
You don’t think people want to use an untraceable currency to avoid taxes? Is that one of the main features of it? laugh

It’s currently useless for anything else!

Behemoth

2,105 posts

132 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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p1stonhead said:
You don’t think people want to use an untraceable currency to avoid taxes? Is that one of the main features of it? laugh

It’s currently useless for anything else!
Tracing a bitcoin tx is nothing new, it was happening before you probably even heard of it https://www.wired.com/2015/01/prosecutors-trace-13...

Blockchain analysis these days is pretty advanced https://www.techworld.com/startups/bitcoin-transac...

p1stonhead

25,621 posts

168 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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Behemoth said:
p1stonhead said:
You don’t think people want to use an untraceable currency to avoid taxes? Is that one of the main features of it? laugh

It’s currently useless for anything else!
Tracing a bitcoin tx is nothing new, it was happening before you probably even heard of it https://www.wired.com/2015/01/prosecutors-trace-13...

Blockchain analysis these days is pretty advanced https://www.techworld.com/startups/bitcoin-transac...
So its not anonymous, you cant spend it anywhere and the value rises and falls like a rollercoaster daily if not hourly meaning its not an investment sensible people would get involved in either unless for a pure gamble.

What are the supposed benefits?
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