Crypto Currency Thread

Crypto Currency Thread

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Behemoth

2,105 posts

131 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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Bitcoin is uncorrelated. Whales being margin called in other assets provokes moves like this. The apparent connection is short term.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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Behemoth said:
Bitcoin is uncorrelated. Whales being margin called in other assets provokes moves like this. The apparent connection is short term.
That makes zero sense, it is clearly corralated and you cannot say it is short term, until it uncorrelates....

AmosMoses

4,042 posts

165 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/ath

Theres a whole page of depression.

Behemoth

2,105 posts

131 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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Thesprucegoose said:
That makes zero sense, it is clearly corralated and you cannot say it is short term, until it uncorrelates....
I absolutely can biggrin A short term connection does not indicate a meaningful correlation. Instead of cherry picking to suit your narrative, try zooming out. Show me the correlation on a high time frame (hint: that's months, years not minutes, hours).

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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Behemoth said:
I absolutely can biggrin A short term connection does not indicate a meaningful correlation. Instead of cherry picking to suit your narrative, try zooming out. Show me the correlation on a high time frame (hint: that's months, years not minutes, hours).
We are talking about current situation, If 'whales' have to liquidate due to the stock market, then it is clearly correlated..

How can anyone see it for anything thing else.

Behemoth

2,105 posts

131 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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You disputed bitcoin being a hedge against the stock market. I replied pointing out it is uncorellated.

Nobody in their right mind looks at a few hours' worth of data to determine meaningful correlation.


anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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BTC has been closely tracking the price action seen by the stock market.

Behemoth

2,105 posts

131 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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Your viewpoint is short term. It always has been on this thread.

There are times when bitcoin has tracked gold for a few hours. Other times it's moved in the opposite direction. Same with stocks, sometimes bitcoin follows, sometimes it goes in the opposite direction. But zoom out and there is no discernible pattern in connection to other assets. It's uncorrelated.

You focus on the short term. My horizon is long term. That's our difference. A connection for a few hours or days is no evidence of meaningful correlation.

bloomen

6,897 posts

159 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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The first wave of owners would've been the weirdos mining it. Then get rich quick kiddies. As it grows the people owning it come from conventional markets first. That increases the overlap in sentiment and how people act on it.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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Behemoth said:
Your viewpoint is short term. It always has been on this thread.
You would say that as any negative about BTC would be viewed as 'short term'. I'm pretty open, I don't think i'm as entrenched in my outlook as you are, my views have changed over time, whereas yours have always been the same.

But it is not about my views it is about what is happened now, BTC tracked with oil, then with the stockmarket, correlation is there to see, is it short term?, we will have to check back in a few months on that.


Edited by Thesprucegoose on Thursday 12th March 13:52

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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Behemoth said:
Your viewpoint is short term. It always has been on this thread.
You would say that as any negative about BTC would be viewed as 'short term'. I'm pretty open, I don't think i'm as entrenched in my outlook as you are, my views have changed over time, whereas yours have always been the same.

But it is not about my views it is about what is happened now, BTC tracked with oil, then with the stockmarket, correlation is there to see, is it short term?, we will have to check back in a few months on that.

I'm sure the market will go down further, i bought in, chainlink and eth.


Edited by Thesprucegoose on Thursday 12th March 14:07

Behemoth

2,105 posts

131 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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Thesprucegoose said:
I don't think i'm as entrenched in my outlook as you are, my views have changed over time, whereas yours have always been the same.
At the beginning of this thread, summer 2017, I held a variety of tokens. My views certainly changed. I quickly consolidated on bitcoin as the only real asset of long term worth in this environment. That's both from a technical and a fundamental monetary aspect.

I don't waste time chasing this week's 10x pump and dump flavour of the month trades. I abandoned eth long ago. An apocalyptic upgrade path + a move fast & break it dev attitude totally unsuited to finance makes for a terrible long term proposition.

p1stonhead

25,549 posts

167 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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Who could’ve guessed that when the st hits the fan, no one gives a crap about some code somewhere.

Bitcoin was designed to be a haven in exactly this situation, and it’s all bullst.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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Amen to that!

rufusgti

2,530 posts

192 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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p1stonhead said:
Who could’ve guessed that when the st hits the fan, no one gives a crap about some code somewhere.

Bitcoin was designed to be a haven in exactly this situation, and it’s all bullst.
Ouch, how much did you lose buddy??

p1stonhead

25,549 posts

167 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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rufusgti said:
p1stonhead said:
Who could’ve guessed that when the st hits the fan, no one gives a crap about some code somewhere.

Bitcoin was designed to be a haven in exactly this situation, and it’s all bullst.
Ouch, how much did you lose buddy??
Uh none coz I don’t own any of said computer code.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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Could go way further down yet

Could end up being the worst performer of all, even versus individual stocks

Potential correlations can break down in extreme circumstances

Meanwhile the fed is doing 1.5 trillion repo in the next few days - hang onto your hats

Behemoth

2,105 posts

131 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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Yes, it could decouple either way at any time. It depends on how many speculators remain to get further margin calls. Those left will be people who actually understand the value proposition. Then, it's up.

Petrolsmasher

2,452 posts

116 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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So i do think most alts will die.

However looking at bitcoin, if you look at the 200MA line on a WEEKLY chart it has ALWAYS bounced off it, the current 200ma is 5500, and bitcoin has just bounced off it, overall over the past 10 years btc has always increased in value with bull markets and bear in between.

If it goes below then ill retract what i said.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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Bitcoin only exists because we had a 10 year bull run with no economic shock to flush out the crap. This recession should stress this kind of thing and I don't fancy BTC's chances. Will probably kill other get rich quick stuff like the FIRE movement too.
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