It's not terror related.

[Thankyou4calling]

There have been several incidents recently such as the one today where a gunman took hostages at a bowling alley where the police have been quick to say the actions were not terror related.

Surely a gunman taking hostages IS terror related in so much as he is clearly terrorising people.

Am I wrong ? Is the definition of terrorism that it has to be linked to a middle eastern organisation?

[BoRED S2upid]

Your right but they can hardly say it’s not Muslim terror related can they,

What was today’s terror incident about anyway? Just some nitter I’m a bowling alley? Didn’t get a strike?

[Johnnytheboy]

The real fun comes when there's a whiff of it being some kind of lone, white, far right gun man (e.g. that guy in Norway who killed all the kids on a summer camp).

Then the media seem desperate not to label it terrorism, even though it appears to fit the bill.

[Greendubber]

Terrorising someone does not make you a terrorist.

[Greendubber]

It's allegedly a disgruntled ex employee, hence why there were 2 members of staff held hostage.

I doubt any terrorist worth their salt would want to target Megabowl team leaders to gain exposure for their cause

[BoRED S2upid]

Greendubber said:

It's allegedly a disgruntled ex employee, hence why there were 2 members of staff held hostage.

I doubt any terrorist worth their salt would want to target Megabowl team leaders to gain exposure for their cause

Sounds like some sort of comedy sketch. Peter Kay is writing it as we speak.

[Thankyou4calling]

I would say the Las Vegas killer was a terrorist as well. Surely he terrorised thousands by shooting into a huge crowd of people yet that was said to be Not terror related!

Odd.

[iphonedyou]

Thankyou4calling said:

I would say the Las Vegas killer was a terrorist as well. Surely he terrorised thousands by shooting into a huge crowd of people yet that was said to be Not terror related!

Odd.

You're conflating terrorising and terrorism.

Edited by iphonedyou on Sunday 22 October 22:21

[Greendubber]

Thankyou4calling said:

I would say the Las Vegas killer was a terrorist as well. Surely he terrorised thousands by shooting into a huge crowd of people yet that was said to be Not terror related!

Odd.

Not really, you need a political aim for it to be a terrorist attack, people can just be mad or bad.

Edited by Greendubber on Sunday 22 October 22:21

[BoRED S2upid]

Greendubber said:

Not really, you need a political aim for it to be a terrorist attack, people can just be mad or bad.

Edited by Greendubber on Sunday 22 October 22:21

Do ISIS have a political aim? They don’t have a country to govern. They may desire one but they don’t have anything.

[iphonedyou]

BoRED S2upid said:

Do ISIS have a political aim? They don’t have a country to govern. They may desire one but they don’t have anything.

An aim needn't necessaily reflect any present reality.

The FBI note:

There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

Considered thus, the difference between genuine terrorism and sick nutjobs generally is axiomatic.

[rscott]

The police are probably using the definition of terrorism included in the 2000 Terrorism Act
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Act_2000

[anonymous-user]

As above, so in this case there's an absence of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.

[popeyewhite]

Thankyou4calling said:

Surely a gunman taking hostages IS terror related in so much as he is clearly terrorising people.

Am I wrong ?

Yes, he's just a nutter with a gun.

The real ones are nutters with guns and some kind of politico/religious reasoning.

[Furious_george]

[Johnnytheboy]

Furious_george said:

[Ari]