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Ari

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19,352 posts

216 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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daddy cool said:
Nice one. I like hearing your updates, and your ups and down tend to match what happens on mine. Its almost 2 years since I started a S&S ISA with Fidelity, and have maxed out my allowance both years. Unlike you (and because im an absolute noob at this) I ended up with 12 funds, all spread across different geographies and whatnot. After an initial rise (where I felt like I was the next Warren Buffet) ive spent most of the last year seeing almost all of them decline... but I kept my nerve, kept drip feeding, and consequently buying cheap stock, and pretty much since the general election result they have all gone up like a rocket!
As of today, my stats are £40k invested, current value £44,448 - a return of 11.12%, which isn't bad I guess.
My single best is a Legal & General Pharmaceutical trust - £4.3K invested, current value £5.3K - a return of 20.1%

Im not expecting to retire early or anything, but it seems to be doing better than just keeping it in a savings account, and its fun to keep an eye on every couple of days.
Very similar to me. It's quite hard when it goes negative to not only not panic about losing more and leave it in, but accept that you're actually getting more for your money and keep buying!

Ari

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216 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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BobToc said:
Ari said:
Another little update.

FTSE100 Tracker, paid in £13,029, current value £14,094
FTSE All World paid in £3,575, current value £3,856

So £1,345 up, rate of return is 13.54%

All rather pleasing really.
Does that include dividends as well?
Good question. The FTSE100 reinvests them back in, so yes. Not sure about the other one (although I think so) but they'd be minimal.

Mopey

2,396 posts

156 months

Friday 31st January 2020
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I have just gone for the life strategy 80% one as I don’t know what I’m doing enough and it is done for you. Hopefully it’s all gravy post brexit and with this virus!!

putonghua73

615 posts

129 months

Friday 31st January 2020
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Mopey said:
I have just gone for the life strategy 80% one as I don’t know what I’m doing enough and it is done for you. Hopefully it’s all gravy post brexit and with this virus!!
You do not need a great deal of financial acumen to put a regular contribution in a passive index tracker. This is the purpose of the vehicle i.e. an easy method to access stocks without individual stock picking. However, as others have commented, a large dollop of investing is the psychological aspect - it's all gravy when the markets seemingly go up, however it becomes a different proposition when the market drops precipitously.

There are risk to passive index trackers, namely are they helping maintaining the frothiness in markets because investors add money irrespective of whether companies are good, bad or indifferent, and whether this effect is magnified now that passive index trackers account for approx 40% of all funds.

That aside, you should understand some financial basics so that you are psychologically prepared when the markets enter a downward trend i.e. do not panic, and continue to make your regular contribution. You should also have a 10 year plus mindset - preferably decades.

Mopey

2,396 posts

156 months

Friday 31st January 2020
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Yes get the long term nature of it. Also looking at doing the Vanguard JISA for kids. Either a FTSE tracker or US Or global.
Might hold off a few days...

Ari

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19,352 posts

216 months

Monday 3rd February 2020
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Ari said:
Another little update.

FTSE100 Tracker, paid in £13,029, current value £14,094
FTSE All World paid in £3,575, current value £3,856

So £1,345 up, rate of return is 13.54%

All rather pleasing really.
Two weeks later, £673.41 up, rate of return is 6.56%.

So much for the 'Brexit bounce'! biggrin

Mopey

2,396 posts

156 months

Monday 3rd February 2020
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How long does it take to go from pending? I perhaps wrongly thought it would be done as soon as its able too.

Ari

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19,352 posts

216 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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About a day I think.

Mopey

2,396 posts

156 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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Yep it’s gone through now.
The life strategy I appreciate I can just leave.
I also got a VWRL for my son for his JISA- now that seems to pay dividends? Can I leave that too or do I need to do something with it?
Learning!!

SJfW

123 posts

84 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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Mopey said:
Yep it’s gone through now.
The life strategy I appreciate I can just leave.
I also got a VWRL for my son for his JISA- now that seems to pay dividends? Can I leave that too or do I need to do something with it?
Learning!!
I’ve a few Vanguard funds, I like them but think you’ve identified the 2 problems I see with them:
- they take longer to transact
- they aren’t as voluminous (probably not the right term) so are higher value for a single share, if automatic dividend reinvestment is available it would take a pretty sizeable pot to get a large enough dividend to reinvest

Greshamst

2,078 posts

121 months

Friday 7th February 2020
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SJfW said:
- they aren’t as voluminous (probably not the right term) so are higher value for a single share, if automatic dividend reinvestment is available it would take a pretty sizeable pot to get a large enough dividend to reinvest
If you wanted to reinvest dividends, then you’d just buy the accumulation fund, rather than the income fund...
That’s the whole point of there being separate accumulation and dividend funds, accumulation keeps the dividend payout in the fund and prices accordingly, and income pays it out

Mopey

2,396 posts

156 months

Friday 7th February 2020
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Greshamst said:
SJfW said:
- they aren’t as voluminous (probably not the right term) so are higher value for a single share, if automatic dividend reinvestment is available it would take a pretty sizeable pot to get a large enough dividend to reinvest
If you wanted to reinvest dividends, then you’d just buy the accumulation fund, rather than the income fund...
That’s the whole point of there being separate accumulation and dividend funds, accumulation keeps the dividend payout in the fund and prices accordingly, and income pays it out
Yes get that just not sure there is a VWRL accumulation fund. Unless I’m missing it. So had to select dividends to be paid out.

MisterJD

146 posts

112 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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Mopey said:
Yes get that just not sure there is a VWRL accumulation fund. Unless I’m missing it. So had to select dividends to be paid out.
Exchange ticker : VWRP
SEDOL: BK5XT51

Mopey

2,396 posts

156 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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Thankyou. Might switch it to that then. Will I be charged double? I know it’s only small amounts but new to this!

Ari

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19,352 posts

216 months

Friday 28th February 2020
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Unsurprisingly, if you've been following the financial news, I've gone negative!

Rate of return -2.59%
Investments returned me -£274.06

Think long term...

Wondering if I should put a bit extra in whilst it's low? scratchchin

daddy cool

4,002 posts

230 months

Friday 28th February 2020
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Ari said:
Unsurprisingly, if you've been following the financial news, I've gone negative!

Rate of return -2.59%
Investments returned me -£274.06

Think long term...

Wondering if I should put a bit extra in whilst it's low? scratchchin
Ive been waiting for your post!
Ive gone from 11% up a week or so back, to 3.6% up today and I expect that to continue falling... my only regret is that I have maxed my ISA allowance for this year, otherwise i'd do some buying too...

Ari

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216 months

Friday 28th February 2020
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I've just put £1,000 into the FTSE100 Tracker. My regular £250 will go into it too as end of month. I'll take a view next week and maybe put another £1,000 in.

Mopey

2,396 posts

156 months

Friday 28th February 2020
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Who knows. My gut is that it will get worse before it gets better...

FWIW

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98 months

Saturday 29th February 2020
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Mopey said:
Who knows. My gut is that it will get worse before it gets better...
Definitely!

Ari

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216 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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Currently at just over £1,000 loss in total now. And that doesn't factor in today's drops.

Also just put an additional £1,000 in...