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Pistonheader101

2,206 posts

108 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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going in with £60k end of this april.

NickCQ

5,392 posts

97 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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Pistonheader101 said:
going in with £60k end of this april.
Why wait?

foiled

160 posts

71 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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NickCQ said:
Why wait?
We haven’t reached the bottom yet

Ari

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19,352 posts

216 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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The only way we'll ever know for sure that it had definitely reached the bottom is after it's gone back up and steadied out for a decent length of time (a blip upward doesn't mean it's not going to then drop further).

Bit late then... smile

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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I am new to this thread and have just been reading through it. Really interesting to follow your journey. I was incredibly lucky In liquidating all my positions during the third week of Feb. Fwiw I dont think this market is going to calm down and start rebuilding for a while. Beware the dead cat bounce.

Ari

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19,352 posts

216 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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Case in point, it's on its way back up today - but for how long? And what will it do tomorrow? There's no way of knowing whether we've hit bottom and are climbing, or whether this is a small blip before another downward plunge.

Meanwhile, my buy order hasn't yet gone through, which is a little annoying, presumably therefore it will be based on end of business today's figure (which currently will be higher than yesterday).

As to the account itself, its bleeding red ink. Total rate of return -21.25%, £2,316.30 down on total investment.

This is when you need to remember the long term approach. (And cross your fingers).

And why these sorts of accounts don't work as savings accounts. If I needed that money now it would have been a very painful exercise!

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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soofsayer said:
I was incredibly lucky In liquidating all my positions during the third week of Feb.
If I'd gone to a zero base I'd be piling back in today, say 25-30%.

Ari

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19,352 posts

216 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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Update: Rate of return -22.8% and I'm £2,496 down on the £19K paid in.

That's of close of business yesterday, it's down again today currently.


daddy cool

4,002 posts

230 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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Ari said:
Update: Rate of return -22.8% and I'm £2,496 down on the £19K paid in.

That's of close of business yesterday, it's down again today currently.
Stay on target, Red Leader!

Feel your pain - £2,342 down on 41K invested over the past 2 years, but some funds down as much as 26%.

Only a few weeks until the new ISA year starts... i'll aim to cautiously buy some more while its cheap...

putonghua73

615 posts

129 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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daddy cool said:
Only a few weeks until the new ISA year starts... i'll aim to cautiously buy some more while its cheap...
Let's address this point re: "cheap". The market can still be more expensive than it was before the crisis if you only factor one half of the equation [Price] without calculating Earnings. P/E is a measure of valuation based upon current price and earnings (either reported or forward). If E is falling faster than P, than even declines that we are seeing may not necessarily be cheaper on a valuation basis.

That said, it could be argued that Jan 18 onward was extremely frothy due to growth actually being synthetic, driven by stimulus (QE and tax cuts) and share-buybacks. Markets have fallen below Jan 18 levels, so the froth has been removed and markets are now pricing in the impact upon earnings - there will be plenty of profit warnings ahead, as there will be opportunities.




anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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rockin said:
If I'd gone to a zero base I'd be piling back in today, say 25-30%.
So you would have lost quite a bit of that since Tuesday, and its only Thursday.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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soofsayer said:
rockin said:
If I'd gone to a zero base I'd be piling back in today, say 25-30%.
So you would have lost quite a bit of that since Tuesday, and its only Thursday.
...and I'd be buying more today, nudging towards 50% and then chill for a while to see where it's all going. No prizes for 20:20 hindsight.

Unless capitalism goes out of fashion there's no reason to believe this downturn will last forever. Otherwise I wouldn't still be sitting on a fair slug of equities hoping to ride this thing out.

In my opinion there's a good chance the "fear" is worse than the "reality". However, dividends are likely to be thin on the ground for a while.

z4RRSchris

11,334 posts

180 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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4500 is coming. next week,

BoRED S2upid

19,720 posts

241 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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z4RRSchris said:
4500 is coming. next week,
Fingers crossed. Is that low enough for everyone to start buying again though?

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 12th March 2020
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Only when the markets understand the timescales to get this covid-19 pandemic under control can anyone start to make an informed decision on calculating the economic impact and subsequent investing. 4500 is just a number.

Ari

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19,352 posts

216 months

Friday 13th March 2020
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Your investments returned you −£4,192.95

Your rate of return is -37.46%

Well that's... spectacular! boxedin

Cardinal Hips

323 posts

73 months

Friday 13th March 2020
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-£6,192.66
-24.22%

Lovely stuff.


Ari

Original Poster:

19,352 posts

216 months

Friday 13th March 2020
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It's an adventure..! coffee

Chris Type R

8,043 posts

250 months

Friday 13th March 2020
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Cardinal Hips said:
-£6,192.66
-24.22%

Lovely stuff.
Could have been worse, you could have been lured in to AIM.

Ari

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19,352 posts

216 months

Tuesday 24th March 2020
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Your rate of return is -42.05%

Your investments returned you −£4,795.08