Share tips thread (Vol 2)
Discussion
ATM said:
egomeister said:
ATM said:
So since my massive success shorting SXX I am now unable to remember the money I lost on MTFB and therefore I have been waiting for the opportunity to use my new found prowess to gamble on another AIM listed good luck story. The one I have chosen is called Versarien with ticker VRS. And this time I am long.
Do you get all your share tips from the LSE forums? 
The only positive I see in VRS is that it's not as overpriced as it used to be... They seemed to buy legacy businesses to provide a baseline turnover and the jam tomorrow graphene business makes nothing. I also have massive doubts about many of the deals/MOU's they've signed with the Chinese ever coming to fruition.
te... the vast majority of AIM stocks head south (usually quickly...). When it goes well, the growth can be spectacular though!ATM said:
Just hunting round places like this and wherever. Surely some of the AIM businesses will eventually make it right? They cant all fail - can they?
A few do, but overall it's a bad idea. Pretty much the first story popping up on google, and a few years old but illustrates the point. In the same time the FTSE 250 would have made you 300% then AIM would have got you -30%. Of course if you only invested a lot of money in the correct company, at the right time, and didn't sell too early then it would be a life changing amount. But the chances of that are extremely low. In addition I'd suspect the volatility of AIM would be worst, and so you're more likely to get hit if you needed to sell at some time to get some quick cash (so higher risk again).https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/investing/arti...
ATM said:
Just hunting round places like this and wherever. Surely some of the AIM businesses will eventually make it right? They cant all fail - can they?
It’s been quoted here many times before, from the FT...“Over the past 20 years, investors would have lost money in 72 per cent of all the companies ever to have listed on Aim, according to the professors, who were part of the team who designed the FTSE 100 index.
Analysing data on the 2,877 companies which have listed on Aim, they calculate that in more than 30 per cent of cases, shareholders lost at least 95 per cent of their investment.”
Burwood said:
EarlOfHazard said:
SXX up to 5.5p. Would have been good if bought at 3.5p!! Doh!!!!
It's a huge gamble. Greater risk of going to zero. Gave up at 4.8p
Watched it drop to about 3p
And now AA are interested it's on the climb but I can't see what they can do that Sirius can't except they have more funds to fight the case
Skyedriver said:
And now AA are interested it's on the climb but I can't see what they can do that Sirius can't except they have more funds to fight the case
Access to capital is where Sirius fell down - it will be interesting to see how the project progresses now it has a major backer.egomeister said:
Skyedriver said:
And now AA are interested it's on the climb but I can't see what they can do that Sirius can't except they have more funds to fight the case
Access to capital is where Sirius fell down - it will be interesting to see how the project progresses now it has a major backer.Greshamst said:
It’s been quoted here many times before, from the FT...
“Over the past 20 years, investors would have lost money in 72 per cent of all the companies ever to have listed on Aim, according to the professors, who were part of the team who designed the FTSE 100 index.
Analysing data on the 2,877 companies which have listed on Aim, they calculate that in more than 30 per cent of cases, shareholders lost at least 95 per cent of their investment.”
When there are so many great companies out there to invest in, there seems to be a shocking fondness on here and other forums for buying things that have never made a penny of profit. I dont get it.“Over the past 20 years, investors would have lost money in 72 per cent of all the companies ever to have listed on Aim, according to the professors, who were part of the team who designed the FTSE 100 index.
Analysing data on the 2,877 companies which have listed on Aim, they calculate that in more than 30 per cent of cases, shareholders lost at least 95 per cent of their investment.”
egomeister said:
Do you get all your share tips from the LSE forums?
The only positive I see in VRS is that it's not as overpriced as it used to be... They seemed to buy legacy businesses to provide a baseline turnover and the jam tomorrow graphene business makes nothing. I also have massive doubts about many of the deals/MOU's they've signed with the Chinese ever coming to fruition.
Applied Graphene materials have never really done much have they The only positive I see in VRS is that it's not as overpriced as it used to be... They seemed to buy legacy businesses to provide a baseline turnover and the jam tomorrow graphene business makes nothing. I also have massive doubts about many of the deals/MOU's they've signed with the Chinese ever coming to fruition.
Glad I kept out of that one many moons ago when I gave it the once over
speedyguy said:
Applied Graphene materials have never really done much have they
Glad I kept out of that one many moons ago when I gave it the once over
I know its jam tomorrow but surely there will be jam eventually. I'll maybe set a time limit on this one. It's only a couple weeks wages but could change my life.Glad I kept out of that one many moons ago when I gave it the once over
Burwood said:
egomeister said:
Skyedriver said:
And now AA are interested it's on the climb but I can't see what they can do that Sirius can't except they have more funds to fight the case
Access to capital is where Sirius fell down - it will be interesting to see how the project progresses now it has a major backer.ATM said:
speedyguy said:
Applied Graphene materials have never really done much have they
Glad I kept out of that one many moons ago when I gave it the once over
I know its jam tomorrow but surely there will be jam eventually. I'll maybe set a time limit on this one. It's only a couple weeks wages but could change my life.Glad I kept out of that one many moons ago when I gave it the once over
Skyedriver said:
Burwood said:
EarlOfHazard said:
SXX up to 5.5p. Would have been good if bought at 3.5p!! Doh!!!!
It's a huge gamble. Greater risk of going to zero. Gave up at 4.8p
Watched it drop to about 3p
And now AA are interested it's on the climb but I can't see what they can do that Sirius can't except they have more funds to fight the case
It's not going to move unless the offer's improved (looks unlikely) or it falls through - in which case the price will drop back.
g4ry13 said:
Skyedriver said:
Burwood said:
EarlOfHazard said:
SXX up to 5.5p. Would have been good if bought at 3.5p!! Doh!!!!
It's a huge gamble. Greater risk of going to zero. Gave up at 4.8p
Watched it drop to about 3p
And now AA are interested it's on the climb but I can't see what they can do that Sirius can't except they have more funds to fight the case
It's not going to move unless the offer's improved (looks unlikely) or it falls through - in which case the price will drop back.
Well, sold out half of my remaining SXX shares this morning, and if I'm honest and not sure why I didn't sell them all.
With the information coming out, there is no question of disingenuous behavior at play, which whilst doesn't come as shock generally as fully appreciate this goes on all the time, does jar a little as certain things have been told to my face by members of the board which I took at face value.
I still maintain the project is a fantastic one, and will be great for the area, and also the country, but seemingly I won't have been someone who invested at the near start of the journey and saw it complete (and obviously reap the rewards of such). You only have to listen to the AAL investor webchat held in the past few hours to understand the potential of it, and their happiness of a potential deal.
Maybe things will change. Maybe a further offer will come in. Personally, I get the impression this 'discussion' has been going for quite some months, and the company driven down the route of this deal. The board will maintain their positions, no doubt with some getting decent settlements, and the word press will report AAL have saved the company from closure, assuring jobs, etc, etc.
On a financial level, the day trading proved very worthwhile, and helped me recoup significant losses. I just can't bring myself to buy into AAL which I'm sure will do well out of this should the deal go through (although that may change with time).
With the information coming out, there is no question of disingenuous behavior at play, which whilst doesn't come as shock generally as fully appreciate this goes on all the time, does jar a little as certain things have been told to my face by members of the board which I took at face value.
I still maintain the project is a fantastic one, and will be great for the area, and also the country, but seemingly I won't have been someone who invested at the near start of the journey and saw it complete (and obviously reap the rewards of such). You only have to listen to the AAL investor webchat held in the past few hours to understand the potential of it, and their happiness of a potential deal.
Maybe things will change. Maybe a further offer will come in. Personally, I get the impression this 'discussion' has been going for quite some months, and the company driven down the route of this deal. The board will maintain their positions, no doubt with some getting decent settlements, and the word press will report AAL have saved the company from closure, assuring jobs, etc, etc.
On a financial level, the day trading proved very worthwhile, and helped me recoup significant losses. I just can't bring myself to buy into AAL which I'm sure will do well out of this should the deal go through (although that may change with time).
egomeister said:
ATM said:
speedyguy said:
Applied Graphene materials have never really done much have they
Glad I kept out of that one many moons ago when I gave it the once over
I know its jam tomorrow but surely there will be jam eventually. I'll maybe set a time limit on this one. It's only a couple weeks wages but could change my life.Glad I kept out of that one many moons ago when I gave it the once over
ATM said:
egomeister said:
ATM said:
speedyguy said:
Applied Graphene materials have never really done much have they
Glad I kept out of that one many moons ago when I gave it the once over
I know its jam tomorrow but surely there will be jam eventually. I'll maybe set a time limit on this one. It's only a couple weeks wages but could change my life.Glad I kept out of that one many moons ago when I gave it the once over
If some of the deals develop well there could be jam in a few years, but in the meantime the valuation makes no sense to me given there will likely need to be more fundraising to even get close to delivering on the current sales pipeline.
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