Who Wants to be a ISA Millionaire

Who Wants to be a ISA Millionaire

Author
Discussion

DoubleSix

11,715 posts

176 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2018
quotequote all
Give it a rest...

JulianPH

9,917 posts

114 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2018
quotequote all
DoubleSix said:
Give it a rest...
Give "what" a rest?

You have stated your credentials, I asked a simple question.

If you are not able to answer it then fair enough.

Typo Edit

Edited by JulianPH on Tuesday 22 May 20:51

DoubleSix

11,715 posts

176 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2018
quotequote all
JulianPH said:
DoubleSix said:
Give it a rest...
Give "what" a rest?

You have stated your credentials, I asked a simple question.

If you are not able to answer it then fair enough.

Typo Edit

Edited by JulianPH on Tuesday 22 May 20:51
And I asked you yours but you weren’t able to answer...

See how this works yet?


JulianPH

9,917 posts

114 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2018
quotequote all
DoubleSix said:
And I asked you yours but you weren’t able to answer...

See how this works yet?
What on earth does my 'unqualified' status have to do with your 'qualified status'? Or are you just arguing over nothing?

Can you tell us how your service works, or not?

Edited to add, can you respond or not?

DoubleSix

11,715 posts

176 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2018
quotequote all
JulianPH said:
DoubleSix said:
And I asked you yours but you weren’t able to answer...

See how this works yet?
What on earth does my 'unqualified' status have to do with your 'qualified status'? Or are you just arguing other nothing?

Can you tell us how your service works, or not?
I’m not here to discuss my service Julian, anymore than you are to discuss yours. So maybe stop being childish?, as you aren’t coming across as clever as you might think.

JulianPH

9,917 posts

114 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2018
quotequote all
DoubleSix said:
JulianPH said:
DoubleSix said:
And I asked you yours but you weren’t able to answer...

See how this works yet?
What on earth does my 'unqualified' status have to do with your 'qualified status'? Or are you just arguing other nothing?

Can you tell us how your service works, or not?
I’m not here to discuss my service Julian, anymore than you are to discuss yours. So maybe stop being childish?, as you aren’t coming across as clever as you might think.
I don't offer a service to individual investors, you do. If you can't say what you charge for it and what you do for it then it is you who is being childish.

Just say if you can't answer the question (rather than retort with something non-relevant.

JulianPH

9,917 posts

114 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
quotequote all
BoRED S2upid said:
Joscal said:
I'm confused!

If the money is put into a SIPP do the beneficiaries have to wait until they hit retirement age before they can access the funds or is it it participating members only?
Yes you have to wait until retirement age to access a SIPP those two aren’t going to answer you (without charging wink
No, this is not the case. The nominated beneficiaries can access the funds before retirement age. The SIPP effectively ceases upon the death of the member once the benefits have been distributed.

PistonBroker

2,419 posts

226 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
quotequote all
The Mad Monk said:
I don't feel that we were put on this earth(see note 1.) to save money for our children, or grandchildren.

Because, logically, those children and grandchildren will have to save that money - and add to it - to pass on to their children and grandchildren and so it will go on and on. Nobody will ever spend the money, it will simply be passed on to our successors. What is the point in that?

Note 1. I don't know why we were put on this earth - do you have any idea?
Agreed.

I reckon my M-i-L goes without because she's obsessed with the idea of leaving something behind. Crazy.

Can't answer your question. :-p

JulianPH

9,917 posts

114 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
quotequote all
DoubleSix said:
And I asked you yours but you weren’t able to answer...

See how this works yet?
Okay, I'll bite:

Active portfolio management, risk assessed asset allocation mapping, underlying investment selection, unitisation, rebalancing, SIPP/Pension management (including tax reclaims, HMRC reporting and payroll tax calculations and deductions) and ISA plan management, together with 24/7 client and adviser online valuation/reporting feeds and fully online applications under our or your brand.

All for between 0.8% to 0.9% a year. This includes all of the above and the cost of the underlying investments, stamp duty, dealing, and custodianship.

We also collect and pay adviser charging, which is always set at a higher level than our own fees. Hence my question.

So, there you go. The total costs of a provider.

What do you do and charge for it when it comes to advice? I (and others here) are genuinely interested.

Edited - brand, not band!

Edited by JulianPH on Wednesday 23 May 23:35

joyless lobotomised parrot

5,637 posts

111 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
quotequote all
Just had a peek at my ISA.

If it keeps adding gains at the rate it has since October 2016, I calculate that it'll have gained £1M over and above what's been put into it by about 2716.






theboss

6,913 posts

219 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
quotequote all
joyless lobotomised parrot said:
Just had a peek at my ISA.

If it keeps adding gains at the rate it has since October 2016, I calculate that it'll have gained £1M over and above what's been put into it by about 2716.
On the other hand, if my SIPP does the same, then Warren Buffett will be seeking my advice hehe

Fast and Spurious

1,321 posts

88 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
quotequote all
JulianPH said:
Okay, I'll bite:

Active portfolio management, risk assessed asset allocation mapping, underlying investment selection, unitisation, rebalancing, SIPP/Pension management (including tax reclaims, HMRC reporting and payroll tax calculations and deductions) and ISA plan management, together with 24/7 client and adviser online valuation/reporting feeds and fully online applications under our or your brand.

All for between 0.8% to 0.9% a year. This includes all of the above and the cost of the underlying investments, stamp duty, dealing, and custodianship.

We also collect and pay adviser charging, which is always set at a higher level than our own fees. Hence my question.

So, there you go. The total costs of a provider.

What do you do and charge for it when it comes to advice? I (and others here) are genuinely interested.

Edited - brand, not band!

Edited by JulianPH on Wednesday 23 May 23:35
That sounds great, sign me up!

JulianPH

9,917 posts

114 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
quotequote all
DoubleSix said:
No, I definitely wouldn’t Julian.

On the basis that you haven’t shown any openess regarding your own experience I shall not be rushing to answer your questions. Adieu.
Why are you acting like this? I have divulged all I do. You refuse to do so.

How stupid do you consider people to be?

It is not a difficult question, after all.

Phooey

Original Poster:

12,600 posts

169 months

Friday 25th May 2018
quotequote all
JulianPH said:
Active portfolio management, risk assessed asset allocation mapping, underlying investment selection, unitisation, rebalancing, SIPP/Pension management (including tax reclaims, HMRC reporting and payroll tax calculations and deductions) and ISA plan management, together with 24/7 client and adviser online valuation/reporting feeds and fully online applications under our or your brand.

All for between 0.8% to 0.9% a year. This includes all of the above and the cost of the underlying investments, stamp duty, dealing, and custodianship.

We also collect and pay adviser charging, which is always set at a higher level than our own fees. Hence my question.

So, there you go. The total costs of a provider.
Sounds good!

sungsam

29 posts

78 months

Friday 25th May 2018
quotequote all
Phooey said:
JulianPH said:
Active portfolio management, risk assessed asset allocation mapping, underlying investment selection, unitisation, rebalancing, SIPP/Pension management (including tax reclaims, HMRC reporting and payroll tax calculations and deductions) and ISA plan management, together with 24/7 client and adviser online valuation/reporting feeds and fully online applications under our or your brand.

All for between 0.8% to 0.9% a year. This includes all of the above and the cost of the underlying investments, stamp duty, dealing, and custodianship.

We also collect and pay adviser charging, which is always set at a higher level than our own fees. Hence my question.

So, there you go. The total costs of a provider.
Sounds good!
On portfolio management; do you take your costs from the management of each fund, or do you Invoice your 0.8%-0.9% on the size of the portfolio?

JulianPH

9,917 posts

114 months

Friday 25th May 2018
quotequote all
sungsam said:
Phooey said:
JulianPH said:
Active portfolio management, risk assessed asset allocation mapping, underlying investment selection, unitisation, rebalancing, SIPP/Pension management (including tax reclaims, HMRC reporting and payroll tax calculations and deductions) and ISA plan management, together with 24/7 client and adviser online valuation/reporting feeds and fully online applications under our or your brand.

All for between 0.8% to 0.9% a year. This includes all of the above and the cost of the underlying investments, stamp duty, dealing, and custodianship.

We also collect and pay adviser charging, which is always set at a higher level than our own fees. Hence my question.

So, there you go. The total costs of a provider.
Sounds good!
On portfolio management; do you take your costs from the management of each fund, or do you Invoice your 0.8%-0.9% on the size of the portfolio?
Our charges are fully inclusive of the funds within our portfolios. We don't take anything from the funds (we use ETFs).

The 0.8-%. - 0.9% fee is the fully inclusive charge and includes everything else (Funds, Dealing, Stamp Duty, Custodianship, Unitisation, Asset Management, Investment Management, Rebalancing, SIPP/Pension, ISA Plan Management).

I hope that makes sense and am sorry we can't deal directly!

Edited for clarity!

Edited by JulianPH on Friday 25th May 20:39

Simpo Two

85,422 posts

265 months

Friday 25th May 2018
quotequote all
JulianPH said:
I hope that makes sense and am sorry we can't deal directly!
The good news is that Joe Punter can hire a former double-glazing salesman or ex-squaddie to transfer his money for him - for just 1% of his hard earned cash. Every year. Like JulianPH, I have yet to find one who can justify it or explain the actual work done every year for that money. Perhaps I'm just envious; I'd love to be able to be able to invoice all my old clients 1% year on year for fk all. But these guys can sell it and people suck it up. Now that's a skill!

ETA But we seem to have strayed rather O/T. Perhaps the subject of IFA charges would be better served in a new thread.

Edited by Simpo Two on Friday 25th May 21:29

BarryGibb

335 posts

147 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
quotequote all
Simpo Two said:
JulianPH said:
I hope that makes sense and am sorry we can't deal directly!
The good news is that Joe Punter can hire a former double-glazing salesman or ex-squaddie to transfer his money for him - for just 1% of his hard earned cash. Every year. Like JulianPH, I have yet to find one who can justify it or explain the actual work done every year for that money. Perhaps I'm just envious; I'd love to be able to be able to invoice all my old clients 1% year on year for fk all. But these guys can sell it and people suck it up. Now that's a skill!

ETA But we seem to have strayed rather O/T. Perhaps the subject of IFA charges would be better served in a new thread.

Edited by Simpo Two on Friday 25th May 21:29
Would be very interested to hear what they said they were doing for their 1% a year. A decent IFA should more than cover their costs for a typical client (they shouldn't take them on if that were not the case)

JulianPH

9,917 posts

114 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
quotequote all
BarryGibb said:
Simpo Two said:
JulianPH said:
I hope that makes sense and am sorry we can't deal directly!
The good news is that Joe Punter can hire a former double-glazing salesman or ex-squaddie to transfer his money for him - for just 1% of his hard earned cash. Every year. Like JulianPH, I have yet to find one who can justify it or explain the actual work done every year for that money. Perhaps I'm just envious; I'd love to be able to be able to invoice all my old clients 1% year on year for fk all. But these guys can sell it and people suck it up. Now that's a skill!

ETA But we seem to have strayed rather O/T. Perhaps the subject of IFA charges would be better served in a new thread.

Edited by Simpo Two on Friday 25th May 21:29
Would be very interested to hear what they said they were doing for their 1% a year. A decent IFA should more than cover their costs for a typical client (they shouldn't take them on if that were not the case)
BarryGibb - I agree completely. If we were to fail to deliver performance or manage volatility (or mess up a SIPP/ISA transaction) we would be sacked. What we do is very visible and simple to measure. With advisers this is far less the case and after charging for the initial advice it is not clear what the adviser is doing for the ongoing annual fee, which is typically more than we charge for actually running everything! I was seeking to understand this, that's all. Unfortunately our once highly vocal adviser has become very shy and missed a good opportunity to enlighten us.

Simpo Two - I agree we have gone way off topic here and as you have suggested it I will set up another thread on this matter as it is obviously of interest to people.

Mr Pointy

11,220 posts

159 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
quotequote all
Over the last 12 month period on a £250k investment my adviser made just as much as I did...