Toyota Auris - Hyundai Ioniq A Road mpg vs 3 pot petrol

[fitz1985]

Hi

Currently researching next car purchase and would be interested in what any owners of the above get as economy figures. I have a daily ~75 mile commute which is a combination of dual carriageway - 30%, Single carriageway between 50-60mph, and about 10-15% through 40-30mpg town outer roads.

Currently have an Astra H 1.8 petrol and can get 40-42 mpg out of it taking it easy with the traffic.

Trying to work out if I would be getting decent figures on the commute above in the Auris or Ioniq, compared to something like the 3 cylinder Kia Ceed Petrol or another Astra with the 1.0 or 1.4 Turbo. I've test driven an Auris and got 56mpg on a short test run but that was mostly town / extra urban which I guess would favour its strengths.

Am trying to understand and avoid the experience of paying extra for a hybrid - Auris would be 4 years old 50-60k miles compared to a year old 10k Kia Ceed and finding out that actually I get about 48 or mpg which I'm confident I could probably get in a cheap 1.4T Astra yet alone the Kia. I'm not expecting 70mpg but I'd probably want to hit 60mpg without trying really hard for it to be worth it for me.

Discounting diesel as at 3 years or so old they don't score well on the emissions without the Ad Blue and that is an important consideration for me.

Thanks in advance if you can offer any real work experience!

[Jonny_]

I used to average mid-to-high 50s in my Auris hybrid. Occasionally managed 60+. Best I ever managed over a full tank was 63mpg - that's the "at the pump" figure, the dash said something like 66.

I now have an Ioniq hybrid and that generally averages low to mid 60s. 70mpg is achievable if you're doing long journeys in warm weather. Best I've averaged over a full tank in this car is 72mpg, again "at the pump", the dash readout was a few mpg higher.

[MaxSo]

Is an actual EV out of the question?

[Otispunkmeyer]

I have a Prius, the 3rd Gen and I've a similar sort of commute to you... thought its a 65 mile roundtrip, its comprised of fast A roads and Motorway sections. I average about 55 mpg in the summer, about 50 in the winter. I don't drive too much with economy in mind, though I think my general style is quite economical anyway as I can get high 40's out of our Mazda 3 without trying (whereas my Wife hovers it around 40). I don't really drive all that slowly either.

It doesn't handle at all so its quite a challenge to hustle one of these things!

Its 10 years old now though and there are non-hybrids that could probably do similar economy. For me half the benefit is how easy and relaxing it is to drive. There is a lot to be said for not having a clutch and a gear stick. Its easy street all the way.

[kambites]

This is quite a useful site for real-world numbers: http://www.fuelly.com/car/hyundai/ioniq (make sure you put it on UK MPG in the top left).

Most people seem to average something in the 57-67mpg range. Since your usage sounds pretty MPG-friendly I guess you should expect to be towards the top of that range.

[fitz1985]

Jonny_ said:

I used to average mid-to-high 50s in my Auris hybrid. Occasionally managed 60+. Best I ever managed over a full tank was 63mpg - that's the "at the pump" figure, the dash said something like 66.

I now have an Ioniq hybrid and that generally averages low to mid 60s. 70mpg is achievable if you're doing long journeys in warm weather. Best I've averaged over a full tank in this car is 72mpg, again "at the pump", the dash readout was a few mpg higher.

Thank you, that is really useful. I feel much happier now that I'd manage something pretty OK in an Auris then. Ioniq looks really good, just not sure if I can live with the really deep boot!

[fitz1985]

MaxSo said:

Is an actual EV out of the question?

Afraid so, budget does not permit something with appropriate range and I have nowhere to charge something at home.

[fitz1985]

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Otispunkmeyer said:

I have a Prius, the 3rd Gen and I've a similar sort of commute to you... thought its a 65 mile roundtrip, its comprised of fast A roads and Motorway sections. I average about 55 mpg in the summer, about 50 in the winter. I don't drive too much with economy in mind, though I think my general style is quite economical anyway as I can get high 40's out of our Mazda 3 without trying (whereas my Wife hovers it around 40). I don't really drive all that slowly either.

It doesn't handle at all so its quite a challenge to hustle one of these things!

Its 10 years old now though and there are non-hybrids that could probably do similar economy. For me half the benefit is how easy and relaxing it is to drive. There is a lot to be said for not having a clutch and a gear stick. Its easy street all the way.

Thanks that's really helpful. I might hope to get a tiny bit more in the prius as the roads tend to be slower than that for me. To be honest the handling / gear changing is the only thing really that is meaning I'm not just plumbing straight for a hybrid. Whilst the Astra is nothing special its not a bad handling car. I test drove the current Astra at the same time as the Auris and there was so little feel from the steering / gearbox that I certainly felt in comparison the Auris had nicer weight to the steering and I might as well just plumb for the economy. Not had a chance to try the Kia yet so I guess that will pretty much dictate what I do.

New Ceed will have a hybrid option soon but that will be 3 years before I can stump up for one at least, that might be something to look forward too.

[fitz1985]

kambites said:

This is quite a useful site for real-world numbers: http://www.fuelly.com/car/hyundai/ioniq (make sure you put it on UK MPG in the top left).

Most people seem to average something in the 57-67mpg range. Since your usage sounds pretty MPG-friendly I guess you should expect to be towards the top of that range.

Thanks have been checking that out but there seems such a range it can be difficult to get an idea!

[Jag_NE]

fitz1985 said:

Hi

Currently researching next car purchase and would be interested in what any owners of the above get as economy figures. I have a daily ~75 mile commute which is a combination of dual carriageway - 30%, Single carriageway between 50-60mph, and about 10-15% through 40-30mpg town outer roads.

Currently have an Astra H 1.8 petrol and can get 40-42 mpg out of it taking it easy with the traffic.

Trying to work out if I would be getting decent figures on the commute above in the Auris or Ioniq, compared to something like the 3 cylinder Kia Ceed Petrol or another Astra with the 1.0 or 1.4 Turbo. I've test driven an Auris and got 56mpg on a short test run but that was mostly town / extra urban which I guess would favour its strengths.

Am trying to understand and avoid the experience of paying extra for a hybrid - Auris would be 4 years old 50-60k miles compared to a year old 10k Kia Ceed and finding out that actually I get about 48 or mpg which I'm confident I could probably get in a cheap 1.4T Astra yet alone the Kia. I'm not expecting 70mpg but I'd probably want to hit 60mpg without trying really hard for it to be worth it for me.

Discounting diesel as at 3 years or so old they don't score well on the emissions without the Ad Blue and that is an important consideration for me.

Thanks in advance if you can offer any real work experience!

What is your budget OP? Euro6 diesels started c.2015

[MaxSo]

fitz1985 said:

MaxSo said:

Is an actual EV out of the question?

Afraid so, budget does not permit something with appropriate range and I have nowhere to charge something at home.

Not sure if the 75 mile commute is round trip or each way?

If round trip, a 40kWh EV would be suitable and depending where you live you can easily manage without home charging. If you are open to leasing, take a look at Evezy - from £290 a month all in (insurance, maintenance and public charging included) for a Renault Zoe (they have Ioniqs, Leafs and i3s too) and you can cancel if after a month if you don't get on with it. If you decide to go ahead, PM me for a referral code for £50 off... www.evezy.co.uk

Also check Zapmap to see nearest charging stations

Edited by MaxSo on Tuesday 21st May 08:34

[gangzoom]

MaxSo said:

If round trip, a 40kWh EV would be suitable and spending where you live you can easily manage without home charging.

I presume you mean WITH home charging?

I know people manage but I personally wouldn't own an EV with no home charging.

[MaxSo]

No, I meant without - I've done 1,500 miles in an i3 over the past 5 weeks and, whilst I have the ability to charge at home (just via a 3 pin slow charger), I've only actually done so about 3 times - and I haven't actually needed to on any of the occasions (just basically to check it works, and then just because I can).

If anything, the ability to charge 'at home' is almost more importabt if it's someone else homes that you are visiting and they live not too near to any rapid public chargers (eg family that live in a rural location).

It obviously depends where you live though and what the available public chargers are like around you, and what your usage of the car is like.

That's why a short term, minimum commitment try of an EV in real life for a month or so is really good - because you get to see how it fits with your car usage, and also test out what the local public charging infrastructure is like. If it turns out to be not practicable - just hand the car back after a month or so.

People considering it need to to do all the maths and work out based on their own mileage, maintenance, depreciation, fuel and insurance costs etc, what they spend on their car currently, and then see how an EV subscription with basically everything included stacks up.

Edited by MaxSo on Tuesday 21st May 08:35

[here_we_go]

MaxSo said:

No, I meant without - I've done 1,500 miles in an i3 over the past 5 weeks and, whilst I have the ability to charge at home (just via a 3 pin slow charger), I've only actually done so about 3 times - and I haven't actually needed to on any of the occasions (just basically to check it works, and then just because I can).

If anything, the ability to charge 'at home' is almost more importabt if it's someone else homes that you are visiting and they live not too near to any rapid public chargers (eg family that live in a rural location).

It obviously depends where you live though and what the available public chargers are like around you, and what your usage of the car is like.

That's why a short term, minimum commitment try of an EV in real life for a month or so is really good - because you get to see how it fits with your car usage, and also test out what the local public charging infrastructure is like. If it turns out to be not practicable - just hand the car back after a month or so.

People considering it need to to do all the maths and work out based on their own mileage, maintenance, depreciation, fuel and insurance costs etc, what they spend on their car currently, and then see how an EV subscription with basically everything included stacks up.

Edited by MaxSo on Tuesday 21st May 08:35

Hi MaxSo, can you tell me a bit more about how often/how long you find yourself charging the i3?

Am interested in this but don't have access to homecharging - curious if I could make this work.

[fitz1985]

Jag_NE said:

What is your budget OP? Euro6 diesels started c.2015

A bit flexible depending on option, something like say facelift Toyota that I'd keep for a fair while, would get the highest mpg and strongest residuals, maybe up to £16k. The more convential cars closer to 12-13k ideally.

I'm really not sold on the diesels for a lot a reasons. Long and short being it would have to meet strict emissions in real world, that and budget pretty much means it would be an Astra diesel and I don't want to take depreciation risk on that.

[fitz1985]

MaxSo said:

Not sure if the 75 mile commute is round trip or each way?

If round trip, a 40kWh EV would be suitable and depending where you live you can easily manage without home charging. If you are open to leasing, take a look at Evezy - from £290 a month all in (insurance, maintenance and public charging included) for a Renault Zoe (they have Ioniqs, Leafs and i3s too) and you can cancel if after a month if you don't get on with it. If you decide to go ahead, PM me for a referral code for £50 off... www.evezy.co.uk

Also check Zapmap to see nearest charging stations

Edited by MaxSo on Tuesday 21st May 08:34

Thanks for the info, 75 miles is round trip but need to do family trips at a longer distance etc. I checked out the link but I do twice that mileage limit a month and don't want to signup for the monthly cost.

[MaxSo]

here_we_go said:

Hi MaxSo, can you tell me a bit more about how often/how long you find yourself charging the i3?

Am interested in this but don't have access to homecharging - curious if I could make this work.

So, I commute to work in it 3 days a week (2 days at home) and that’s a 25 miles round trip across south London. At this time of year, it’s doing at worst 5miles/kWh in city driving. The battery has 38kWh which can be used - so that means about 200 miles of range in city driving.

I think a lot of people (me included previously) don't really grasp that EVs do much better range than the quoted 'real-life' average range figures when you are doing city/ urban driving. Use www.abetterrouteplanner.com to get a pretty accurate idea of the consumption figures for an i3 for the routes you drive.

Anyway, 25 miles x3 trips per week means that, just commuting alone, I’d only actually need to charge it every 2 weeks or so. There are several rapid (50kW) chargers within a 10 minute drive of home, a few of which are Polar chargers which Evezy provide an RFID card for, giving free charging. So, maybe 4 times since I’ve had it, we’ve driven it to one of those and charged back up to 100% in about 25 mins or so (not starting at empty), for free, whilst having a coffee, or in the supermarket. We’ve also charged it back up to 100% on slower public chargers, for free, from around 70% or so just by being in Ikea or other places like that.

We’ve done a top up to 100% at public chargers the evening before heading off on longer journeys a few times - and then for those journeys, use www.abetterouteplanner.com to check most efficient places to top up along the way if necessary. Most stops are about 15-20 mins or so which, if anything, we’ve found to be less than you often actually need in terms of grabbing some food, going to the loo etc.

We’ve charged using the 3pin cable at my parent’s house a few times at the end of some of those longer journeys - but again, that wasn’t strictly necessary - it just meant we didn’t need to top up shortly after leaving to go home again.

The key thing is going to be what public chargers are near to you, and are they decent ones that are reliable and not too expensive to use regularly (if not Polar chargers that is - as they are free with Evezy). Check ZapMap and Plugshare websites and if it looks okay in your area, try a car for a month or two from Evezy. If no good, hand it back.

Edited by MaxSo on Wednesday 22 May 11:33

[here_we_go]

Thanks, that's helpful.

[wullie_t25]

fitz1985 said:

A bit flexible depending on option, something like say facelift Toyota that I'd keep for a fair while, would get the highest mpg and strongest residuals, maybe up to £16k. The more convential cars closer to 12-13k ideally.

I'm really not sold on the diesels for a lot a reasons. Long and short being it would have to meet strict emissions in real world, that and budget pretty much means it would be an Astra diesel and I don't want to take depreciation risk on that.

I have a 2016 Auris Touring Sport. got it for £17k at 8 months old and 4k miles from Motorpoint. Might be worth a look. Figured that being auto they couldn't be abused to much and low mileage at least. On 35K now and its a great car for what I need.

I get high 40s to high 50s mpg, commute is only 8 miles and usually travel about is with a bike on the roof. I don't drive for efficiency. If speed is kept under 70mph fuel is good under 60mph will get high 50s mpg+.

One thing to take in to account is that insurance appears to be a bit more. I am £100+ for the Auris over my old 4x4 Diesel Yeti, which was not cheap either.

I test drove the Auris and Ionic and thought the Ionic was a bit better, but I wanted an estate and at the Ionic was just out, so hard to get hold of.

[C.A.R.]

Not sure if still relevant to you or not, I recently got an Ioniq through work purely for the BIK tax reasoning.

I'm averaging low 70s on my busy M25 commute and overall with trips to the shops im getting 64mpg on the trip computer. This is without trying hard either - I've managed 83 on a motorway run at a pretty consistent 60mph before!

Chose one over the Auris due to equipment levels, cabin quality and the traditional dual clutch gearbox.