5G - Delayed

[surveyor]

The roll out of 5G is an interesting time and not only because of Huawei related issues.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/19...

Essentially Operators are proposing to their landlords that their rents should fall from, in the case of London rooftops £10-15k per year to £50. Obviously landlords are not falling over themselves to have the inconvenience of this, and the vast proportion of cases are stalled with a small number going to Lands Tribunals. The few judgments that have been made, have mostly been appealed with the hearings some time off...

It seems that they are also have ago at Local Authorities to grab control of the lampposts for peanuts.

Obviously there is some legal background to all of this - but essentially 5G is looking problematic - especially if Huawei base stations are out for 5G - it is likely that the operators would have to swap out a fair amount of 4G kit also...

[anonymous-user]

Oh I was hoping it was just so we could roll out a basic nationwide phone and 3G service that works across the country. A sort of walking before we run scenario.

[Phud]

It's a totally different system to 4G, the radios are a step forward however the core is the interesting area.

5G will not be fully here for a long time, 4G will remain.

[surveyor]

nah - the operators aren't interested in the 'not' spots. Their latest fudge is to create a combined business to build masts (or not)to cover these, on the condition that the obligation to do so is removed from the 5G auctions...

[C350]

They’d be better off sorting out the places that can’t even get 3G first

[simonrockman]

This has been rumbling for many years. I wrote a blog piece on it a year ago. The Communications Code is far too biased in favour of landlords.

[Octoposse]

Around here (sunny South Coast) only a minority of lamposts are suitable for attaching things to (weight of the device or, more typically, can't be drilled for power or cabling).

If that's the national picture, hot competition for the ones that are suitable?

[surveyor]

simonrockman said:

This has been rumbling for many years. I wrote a blog piece on it a year ago. The Communications Code is far too biased in favour of landlords.

Not really... Landlords would argue it's gone the other way. The code changed at the end of December 2017.

[Rivenink]

C350 said:

They’d be better off sorting out the places that can’t even get 3G first

Why?

If it was an economic priority, they would have already.

[Alucidnation]

Indeed.

They should be sorting the 4g mess out.

What a shower of st they all are.

[Burwood]

Alucidnation said:

Indeed.

They should be sorting the 4g mess out.

What a shower of st they all are.

The coverage in the UK is worse than many Eastern European countries.We get mugged for sure. I get no signal at all, 15 miles from Guildford.

The new Regs are supposed to be, if any provider bids for a 5G license then they must get decent coverage or face fines. But often the fines are not large enough to encourage compliance. Broadband is hit and miss. On a good day i'll get 20mbs on a bad say it's as slow as a wet week.

[surveyor]

Burwood said:

The coverage in the UK is worse than many Eastern European countries.We get mugged for sure. I get no signal at all, 15 miles from Guildford.

The new Regs are supposed to be, if any provider bids for a 5G license then they must get decent coverage or face fines. But often the fines are not large enough to encourage compliance. Broadband is hit and miss. On a good day i'll get 20mbs on a bad say it's as slow as a wet week.

They are trying a fudge to get rid of that annoying condition

[Burwood]

surveyor said:

Burwood said:

The coverage in the UK is worse than many Eastern European countries.We get mugged for sure. I get no signal at all, 15 miles from Guildford.

The new Regs are supposed to be, if any provider bids for a 5G license then they must get decent coverage or face fines. But often the fines are not large enough to encourage compliance. Broadband is hit and miss. On a good day i'll get 20mbs on a bad say it's as slow as a wet week.

They are trying a fudge to get rid of that annoying condition

I heard the bds have to inform customers when out of contract. Sky is the worst offender. Corporate muggers. I'm so annoyed at their miscreant behaviour i want to bin the lot. It's a godamn rip off

[C350]

Rivenink said:

Why?

If it was an economic priority, they would have already.

Areas that already have 4G already have adequate coverage, they don’t need 5G, in comparison to somewhere they currently has nothing.
I lived in a village in the middle of Northamptonshire with big towns only 5 minutes away, yet a home it was and still is impossible to get a signal on any network.
Hardly the middle of nowhere

[miniman]

Octoposse said:

Around here (sunny South Coast) only a minority of lamposts are suitable for attaching things to (weight of the device or, more typically, can't be drilled for power or cabling).

If that's the national picture, hot competition for the ones that are suitable?

I live in rural Wiltshire. It's absolutely pathetic - I have to pick between 4G and 80Mbps FTTC.

Sorry.

[Art0ir]

5G and 3G/4G rollouts are essentially independent of each other in terms of coverage.

The wavelengths 5G uses aren’t suitable for rural areas. It has less range and more susceptible to line of sight issues. It’s designed for high density urban centres like cities and large towns. Even there they will require a much greater number of aerials than 3G and 4G installations.

5G will transform communications in cities but it’s not a replacement for lesser frequencies nationwide.

[abzmike]

Rivenink said:

Why?

If it was an economic priority, they would have already.

Says someone who has good coverage wherever he goes. Some of us are not so fortunate, but still pay the same.

[HoHoHo]

Where I live in the SE I rarely get 3G let alone 4G.

However I can drive across mainland Europe and get a great 4G signal for hundreds of miles without signal loss.

[Evercross]

Art0ir said:

5G will transform communications in cities but it’s not a replacement for lesser frequencies nationwide.

It shouldn't be called 5G then?!

[clonmult]

Burwood said:

Alucidnation said:

Indeed.

They should be sorting the 4g mess out.

What a shower of st they all are.

The coverage in the UK is worse than many Eastern European countries.We get mugged for sure. I get no signal at all, 15 miles from Guildford.

The new Regs are supposed to be, if any provider bids for a 5G license then they must get decent coverage or face fines. But often the fines are not large enough to encourage compliance. Broadband is hit and miss. On a good day i'll get 20mbs on a bad say it's as slow as a wet week.

The networks are generally aware of the issues with coverage; in some areas as suggested all the networks are trying to come to a sharing agreement (have a feeling that won't go that well). But in other areas the problem is often with planning - which just seems to have continual problems.

(I do work at one of the telcos, although nothing to do with the networks side of things)