SIPP & Pension guidance - IM Private Clients

[Jockman]

AdamIM said:

gt4rs.wp said:

How will the 25% tax free be calculated?

It is now applied to the pension value and not subject to 25% of the LTA

In lay man terms Adam. Does this mean a cap of £268k?

[LeoSayer]

Jockman said:

AdamIM said:

gt4rs.wp said:

How will the 25% tax free be calculated?

It is now applied to the pension value and not subject to 25% of the LTA

In lay man terms Adam. Does this mean a cap of £268k?

I've not seen it written but the only way I can see this being implement is via the existing method of a 55% tax charge on any excess lump sum payments.

[pingu393]

LeoSayer said:

Jockman said:

AdamIM said:

gt4rs.wp said:

How will the 25% tax free be calculated?

It is now applied to the pension value and not subject to 25% of the LTA

In lay man terms Adam. Does this mean a cap of £268k?

I've not seen it written but the only way I can see this being implement is via the existing method of a 55% tax charge on any excess lump sum payments.

Why can't it be £268k tax free, the rest taxed as income?

[Carbon Sasquatch]

pingu393 said:

Why can't it be £268k tax free, the rest taxed as income?

that's what I'd expect too....

[LeoSayer]

Carbon Sasquatch said:

pingu393 said:

Why can't it be £268k tax free, the rest taxed as income?

that's what I'd expect too....

Yes, that makes sense.

If the pension provider can pay the lump sum above the allowance as income then it will be taxed as income.

If you have a DB scheme which entitles you to a £400k lump sum then the excess will need to be added to your income for the year.

[AdamIM]

pingu393 said:

LeoSayer said:

Jockman said:

AdamIM said:

gt4rs.wp said:

How will the 25% tax free be calculated?

It is now applied to the pension value and not subject to 25% of the LTA

In lay man terms Adam. Does this mean a cap of £268k?

I've not seen it written but the only way I can see this being implement is via the existing method of a 55% tax charge on any excess lump sum payments.

Why can't it be £268k tax free, the rest taxed as income?

That is the way I read it on the basis the LTA breach tax is gone. We need to see the detail to make a determination

[Sheepshanks]

Is it worth opening a SIPP for a one off payment?

Wife earns around £25K/yr in normal PAYE from three jobs.

She's getting a one-off dividend of a pretty substantial amount.

She has no other pension arrangements, but is being paid a very small Civil Service pension.

She's already maxxed out her ISA for this year.

[markiii]

definitely, get the tax rebate, and I believe a pension that small when it comes to it can be completely taken as cash

[mikeiow]

chucklebutty said:

Twice I've tried to get someone from IM to engage on pension advice in the last 2 weeks, a phone call and then the online 'get in touch' and no one has replied. They must know I'm an archetypical low net worth type of individual ;-)

Firstly…they don’t give advice, only guidance!
Second: have you emailed Nik? Perhaps slipped past: try him again!

[slk32]

Prior to the likely new government reversing the LTA abolition, would it be possible to take one's entire pension pot after taking the TFLS and purchase a lifetime annuity now as a means of negating the reinstatement of the excess tax charge ?

Asking for a friend...

[Countdown]

State pension question

My wife has no entitlement to State pension. If/when I pop my clogs does any of my State pension transfer over to her?

[LastPoster]

Countdown said:

State pension question

My wife has no entitlement to State pension. If/when I pop my clogs does any of my State pension transfer over to her?

Depends on a number of factors, see here

https://www.gov.uk/state-pension/inheritance-spous...

[Countdown]

LastPoster said:

Countdown said:

State pension question

My wife has no entitlement to State pension. If/when I pop my clogs does any of my State pension transfer over to her?

Depends on a number of factors, see here

https://www.gov.uk/state-pension/inheritance-spous...

Thanks. Looks liek it's a NO

[Mr Pointy]

Countdown said:

LastPoster said:

Countdown said:

State pension question

My wife has no entitlement to State pension. If/when I pop my clogs does any of my State pension transfer over to her?

Depends on a number of factors, see here

https://www.gov.uk/state-pension/inheritance-spous...

Thanks. Looks liek it's a NO

Get her to ring the Future Pensions Department & they will give you a accurate answer depending on her circumstances.

[Sheepshanks]

SIPP contributions question, please:

I've Googled the heck out of this and everything says you can put 100% of your salary into a SIPP - but is that 100% gross or net?

Wife grosses £25K. How much can she put into a SIPP - surely it can't be £25K otherwise the tax rebate would be more (far more) that the amount of tax she paid on her earnings?

[AdamIM]

Sheepshanks said:

SIPP contributions question, please:

I've Googled the heck out of this and everything says you can put 100% of your salary into a SIPP - but is that 100% gross or net?

Wife grosses £25K. How much can she put into a SIPP - surely it can't be £25K otherwise the tax rebate would be more (far more) that the amount of tax she paid on her earnings?

Hi Sheepshanks,

Gross if Salary Sacrifice and net for relief at source. You can contribute 100% up to the tax free allowance of 40k soon to be 60K.

Regards

Adam

[Sheepshanks]

AdamIM said:

Hi Sheepshanks,

Gross if Salary Sacrifice and net for relief at source. You can contribute 100% up to the tax free allowance of 40k soon to be 60K.

Regards

Adam

Thanks - it will be a personal contribution, so is that net of the actual tax on those earning, or just a straight 20% off the gross?

The amount of tax she'll pay in total will be way higher as she's had a chunky dividend from the family firm. I believe she can't take account of that so her contribution is limited to her earned income - about £25K.

[Mr Pointy]

She pays in £20k, HMRC add a tax credit of £5k.

crosses fingers & hopes that's right

[Sheepshanks]

Mr Pointy said:

She pays in £20k, HMRC add a tax credit of £5k.

crosses fingers & hopes that's right

I'm at that stage too!

The thing is, if the £25K was her only income, her tax on that would be something like £2500. So is HMRC going to put another £5K into her SIPP?


Also in writing these posts, I've realised I was thinking she'd get another 20% back from the tax she'll pay on her dividend, but I guess that might not happen as those payments aren't taken into account for pension payments.

Edited by Sheepshanks on Monday 20th March 22:05

[AdamIM]

Mr Pointy said:

She pays in £20k, HMRC add a tax credit of £5k.

crosses fingers & hopes that's right

Correct