When/Will house prices cool down?

When/Will house prices cool down?

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Chicken_Satay

2,299 posts

205 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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emicen said:
In our newbuild estate’s Facebook group, it appears 3-5 years is still the turnover point for kitchens and lounges.
A new kitchen every 3-5 years? That seems a bit of a waste of money!



Edited by Chicken_Satay on Friday 26th November 10:39

LooneyTunes

6,901 posts

159 months

Monday 6th December 2021
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Being reported on front page of Telegraph today that mortgage affordability criteria may be relaxed.

Link to online article here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/12/05/ba...

If there is a relaxation, it becomes harder to see prices falling in the short term.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 6th December 2021
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I have said it before, but housing is a totally rigged game this is what the HousePriceCrashers still don't get. Yes, all of their graphs and theories sound right, but ultimately the government will never allow prices to fall. As soon as prices look shaky some new incentive will be created out of thin air.

You either buy the best house you can afford, forget about it and get on with life or you end up posting on HousePriceCrash for 15 years moaning about it.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Thursday 16th December 2021
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Well the rate rise today whilst small will impact affordability.

Next is the mood of the public with covid changing - moving isn’t the top of peoples list so supply is tiny (this certainly is the case in my area and being a bit OCD I open up my search a number of times a week ).

Next is actually too few big houses are being built so that those wanting to move up either can simply not afford the massive step & then the crippling stamp duty - rather they extend what they have and in turn remove that property from the current step for future buyers.

fat80b

2,295 posts

222 months

Friday 17th December 2021
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fesuvious said:
The issue at the top is too many elderly in massive houses.
What we need is some kind of super virus that we can release to the world that only kills old people…….

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Friday 17th December 2021
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fesuvious said:
The issue at the top is too many elderly in massive houses. Often cash rich, they can afford the gardener, the cleaner and afford to leave 80% of the house unused.

There's nowhere for them to go

I met a lady in her eighties last month and she was remarkedly candid.

'i'm very wealthy, I don't need this house with all the land but there's nowhere to go. Old folks homes terrify me, they're like prisons. At this time if life while I have all my functions I want luxury. There's nowhere that can give me that.'

She's not wrong. And that's why she spent 20years longer than needed in a £2m house on her own.
Fortunately we don’t have rules dictating where you can and cannot live.

devnull

3,754 posts

158 months

Friday 17th December 2021
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Similar to my in laws. They live in a prime spot in their area with no mortgage, and a pension which afford them multiple holidays a year and some nice cars. They looked at downsizing and releasing equity but their options would be a soulless bread bungalows in a beige 1980s estate. I wouldn’t be moving!

Sheepshanks

32,869 posts

120 months

Friday 17th December 2021
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fesuvious said:
The issue at the top is too many elderly in massive houses. Often cash rich, they can afford the gardener, the cleaner and afford to leave 80% of the house unused.

There's nowhere for them to go

I met a lady in her eighties last month and she was remarkedly candid.

'i'm very wealthy, I don't need this house with all the land but there's nowhere to go. Old folks homes terrify me, they're like prisons. At this time if life while I have all my functions I want luxury. There's nowhere that can give me that.'

She's not wrong. And that's why she spent 20years longer than needed in a £2m house on her own.
There's quite a smart retirement "village" near us - but a 2 bed apartment is the same sort of price as a 5 bed detached house in the local area.

kingston12

5,494 posts

158 months

Friday 17th December 2021
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Sheepshanks said:
There's quite a smart retirement "village" near us - but a 2 bed apartment is the same sort of price as a 5 bed detached house in the local area.
It probably comes with a service charge attached that would cost more than maintaining the larger house as well.

It just doesn't make it palatable to move to something like that. The traditional reasons for downsizing - the garden being too big, too much maintenance etc. are largely invalidated in a lot of areas by high house price growth.

Unless people really need to free up money, why pull it out of an investment that is performing well to put it into a bank account paying next to nothing or an overpriced retirement flat that is more likely to fall in value?

The cost of employing gardeners and handymen to maintain the larger property can be insignificant compared to the capital growth.

Sheepshanks

32,869 posts

120 months

Friday 17th December 2021
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kingston12 said:
It probably comes with a service charge attached that would cost more than maintaining the larger house as well.

It just doesn't make it palatable to move to something like that. The traditional reasons for downsizing - the garden being too big, too much maintenance etc. are largely invalidated in a lot of areas by high house price growth.

Unless people really need to free up money, why pull it out of an investment that is performing well to put it into a bank account paying next to nothing or an overpriced retirement flat that is more likely to fall in value?

The cost of employing gardeners and handymen to maintain the larger property can be insignificant compared to the capital growth.
Well, like fesuvious said, a lot of these people have so much money it really doesn't matter.

I've been involved in looking after the finances of three elderly people, none of whom you'd describe as well off, but the biggest issue was stopping money building up - once they get to a certain age they just can't spend it fast enough.

Pistonsquirter

329 posts

40 months

Wednesday 29th December 2021
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devnull said:
Similar to my in laws. They live in a prime spot in their area with no mortgage, and a pension which afford them multiple holidays a year and some nice cars. They looked at downsizing and releasing equity but their options would be a soulless bread bungalows in a beige 1980s estate. I wouldn’t be moving!
Not gona lie, living in an 80's bungalow is a fate worse than death.

amare32

2,417 posts

224 months

Wednesday 29th December 2021
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fat80b said:
What we need is some kind of super virus that we can release to the world that only kills old people…….
Also governments can get out of paying out state pensions and provide healthcare....

Dark85

665 posts

149 months

Wednesday 29th December 2021
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A few years ago a development was done in my area that was aimed squarely at this segment. Their big point was that most downsizers want fewer bedrooms and a more manageable garden but don't want to give up the larger kitchens and entertaining spaces that you get with a big house. So they built two/three bed properties with oversized rooms.
I thought they were being geniuses but they took over 5 years to sell under 100 properties so apparently not.

In truth I think a lot of people may like the idea of downsizing but when it actually comes to it they are not willing to take a perceived backwards step. Humans are always very bad at losing something they already have, more so than they are appreciative of gaining something they don't.

Whistle

1,410 posts

134 months

Wednesday 29th December 2021
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McCarthy & Stone have a new development just up the road from my house, should be finished late summer.

My god they know how to charge, and the service charges are something else.

mike74

3,687 posts

133 months

Wednesday 29th December 2021
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Whistle said:
McCarthy & Stone have a new development just up the road from my house, should be finished late summer.

My god they know how to charge, and the service charges are something else.
And the properties they sell are about the only ones in the whole of the housing market that often depreciate after their initial sale from new, significantly so in some cases.

Matt p

1,039 posts

209 months

Wednesday 29th December 2021
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Whistle said:
McCarthy & Stone have a new development just up the road from my house, should be finished late summer.

My god they know how to charge, and the service charges are something else.
Myself and my Dad looked into one of these for my late Nan. The term wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole sprang to mind!. Charged heavily on the way in, trousers pulled down on the way out. These places are really really a bad idea financially.

LooneyTunes

6,901 posts

159 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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Average house price hits record high of £255,000 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59826341

Will be interesting to see what 2022 brings…

princeperch

7,935 posts

248 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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Matt p said:
Myself and my Dad looked into one of these for my late Nan. The term wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole sprang to mind!. Charged heavily on the way in, trousers pulled down on the way out. These places are really really a bad idea financially.
To be fair whilst you are right my grandad actually bizarrely made money on his Mccarthy and stone flat.

I think he paid 255 for it in q2 2014 and the estate sold it on his demise for 335 or 340 something like that in 2019

Had a 7k service charge on it iirc. But cheaper than a nursing home.

Mezger

371 posts

107 months

Friday 2nd September 2022
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Thread resurrection.

With interest rates heading north, are we expecting house prices to slow/head south?

lizardbrain

2,039 posts

38 months

Friday 2nd September 2022
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Still red hot in Edinburgh. Bid on a 500k flat today at closing and there were five ahead of me