Re-mortgage now or wait?

Re-mortgage now or wait?

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The spinner of plates

17,708 posts

200 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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First Direct seem to have some better deals than you've listed, worth a check.

Killer2005

19,651 posts

228 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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There are some marginally better rates but at an intermediary only lender.

Sarnie

8,046 posts

209 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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The spinner of plates said:
First Direct seem to have some better deals than you've listed, worth a check.
First Direct do not offer BTL rates......

sniff diesel

13,107 posts

212 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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mrpbailey said:
My BTL fixed rate is coming to an end at the end of June.

LTV ~ 51%. Currently with NatWest, interest only 2.88%.
For renewal they are offering:

-2 year fix @ 5.51% 0 fee (5.05% with 995 fee but annual cost works out higher)
-5 year fix @ 4.99% 0 fee (4.79 with fee but again works out higher annual cost)

So basically my monthly payments will be not far off doubling (which obviously has a big effect on the profit margin).

Best 2 year fix I am coming across elsewhere is HSBC at 5.19 with no fee. Roughly £19/month cheaper than NatWest.

Best 5 year fix I can find is again with HSBC AT 4.74%, 0 fee.

Am I likely to find anything better via a broker?

I’m hesitant to fix for 5 years as I may opt to sell up before then, but not sure 2 years is enough to see a significant reduction in interest rates.
I’m in a similar position, my current BTL rate ends next April so have been looking ahead at what rates are so I’m ready to press go when the time is right.

I think you, I, and many other BTL landlords are contemplating selling up or doing so already.

With HSBC their tracker rates don’t have any early redemption charges, so I’d be tempted to go for their 2 year tracker with no fee currently at 5.34% (for under 60% LTV). I know we’re potentially due another rate rise or two but the increases seem to be slowing, maybe we’re somewhere near the top? Who knows…

The spinner of plates

17,708 posts

200 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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Sarnie said:
The spinner of plates said:
First Direct seem to have some better deals than you've listed, worth a check.
First Direct do not offer BTL rates......
Ah missed that.

guyvert1

1,829 posts

242 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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mrpbailey said:
My BTL fixed rate is coming to an end at the end of June.

LTV ~ 51%. Currently with NatWest, interest only 2.88%.
For renewal they are offering:

-2 year fix @ 5.51% 0 fee (5.05% with 995 fee but annual cost works out higher)
-5 year fix @ 4.99% 0 fee (4.79 with fee but again works out higher annual cost)

So basically my monthly payments will be not far off doubling (which obviously has a big effect on the profit margin).

Best 2 year fix I am coming across elsewhere is HSBC at 5.19 with no fee. Roughly £19/month cheaper than NatWest.

Best 5 year fix I can find is again with HSBC AT 4.74%, 0 fee.

Am I likely to find anything better via a broker?

I’m hesitant to fix for 5 years as I may opt to sell up before then, but not sure 2 years is enough to see a significant reduction in interest rates.
Take a look @ platform : https://www.platform.co.uk/mortgages/existing-mort...

2 year fixed 31/08/2025 £0 5.35% 5.00% (BBR*+4.50%)
5 year fixed 31/08/2028 £0 4.89% 5.00% (BBR*+4.50%)

remedy

1,649 posts

191 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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I'm interested to hear that rates are down somewhat. 3.79% Halifax on 5 year fix...

Thankfully I've got till the end of July on my 2.09...

gangzoom

6,304 posts

215 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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remedy said:
I'm interested to hear that rates are down somewhat. 3.79% Halifax on 5 year fix...

Thankfully I've got till the end of July on my 2.09...
Barclays 3.84% 5 year fixed with £999 fee or 3.95% with no fee. 2 years deals are higher, seem like banks are feeling braver about whats going to happen in the next 5 years. More than double what we have currently fixed till 2028, but still way lower than the 5-6% 'normal' pre 2008 crash.

z4RRSchris

11,292 posts

179 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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gangzoom said:
Barclays 3.84% 5 year fixed with £999 fee or 3.95% with no fee. 2 years deals are higher, seem like banks are feeling braver about whats going to happen in the next 5 years. More than double what we have currently fixed till 2028, but still way lower than the 5-6% 'normal' pre 2008 crash.
Banks dont really care as long as the LTVs are ok, your mortgage is sitting on their books for a matter of days before its packaged up.

Sonia swaps are ticking upwards over last month.

Current 14 Apr 2023 17 Mar 2023 19 Apr 2022
1 Year 4.598% 4.551% 4.131% 1.716%
2 Year 4.314% 4.274% 3.944% 2.184%
3 Year 4.107% 4.069% 3.807% 2.230%
5 Year 3.853% 3.811% 3.554% 2.151%
7 Year 3.687% 3.639% 3.369% 2.059%
10 Year 3.582% 3.527% 3.246% 1.996%

vindaloo79

962 posts

80 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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gangzoom said:
remedy said:
I'm interested to hear that rates are down somewhat. 3.79% Halifax on 5 year fix...

Thankfully I've got till the end of July on my 2.09...
Barclays 3.84% 5 year fixed with £999 fee or 3.95% with no fee. 2 years deals are higher, seem like banks are feeling braver about whats going to happen in the next 5 years. More than double what we have currently fixed till 2028, but still way lower than the 5-6% 'normal' pre 2008 crash.
That’s good for Halifax it was 4.06% for me on Friday.ERC was 6% though which is extortionate but tapers.

Any idea how Barclays ERC is i couldn’t see it at a glance.

I was intending to reach out to Sarnie again as I didn’t follow up last time panic set in and decided to see out the fix at 2.19% (ish).

Lightningt

54 posts

13 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Inflation holding stubbornly high, further rises on the horizon?

Gigamoons

17,708 posts

200 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Coming off my fixed in Aug, I've done the meeting / paperwork to hold a 5 year 3.99% no fee deal with FD.

Will check again end of July to see where the market is and go for something better if it's out there, but got a feeling this may be what I end up going with. We'll see I guess.


matrignano

4,377 posts

210 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Lightningt said:
Inflation holding stubbornly high, further rises on the horizon?
2 more 25bps hikes priced in

Deesee

8,434 posts

83 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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matrignano said:
Lightningt said:
Inflation holding stubbornly high, further rises on the horizon?
2 more 25bps hikes priced in
1 yr swaps at 4.7% yesterday, so comfortably 2 more 25bps, perhaps 5% by June.

5 yr swaps above 4% now.


Deesee

8,434 posts

83 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Bloomberg today



My call in trackers may be incorrect..

10 yr fix it is biglaugh

G-wiz

2,167 posts

26 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Deesee said:
Bloomberg today



My call in trackers may be incorrect..

10 yr fix it is biglaugh
What does that all mean? Interest rates are set to continue to rise in the short/ mid term?

Deesee

8,434 posts

83 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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G-wiz said:
Deesee said:
Bloomberg today



My call in trackers may be incorrect..

10 yr fix it is biglaugh
What does that all mean? Interest rates are set to continue to rise in the short/ mid term?
Rates back to normal 5/6% short term, long term not great (imo), markets not yet priced in.

DonkeyApple

55,348 posts

169 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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G-wiz said:
Deesee said:
Bloomberg today



My call in trackers may be incorrect..

10 yr fix it is biglaugh
What does that all mean? Interest rates are set to continue to rise in the short/ mid term?
He's kind of reiterating what is already known but almost impossible to counter, which is that people demanding pay rises to cover the increased cost of bills will create more inflation that leads to greater demand for pay rises and so on and so on until interest rates finally reach the point at which there is total capitulation and people just stop spending.

The risk during this upward cycle is that we are more of a consumer society than ever before and trying to get people to actually not go shopping is close to impossible.

But personally, I don't think the BoE now controls that they way they once did. I think it's the FCA that controls how much people can buy when they go shopping.

All this excess shopping is done via credit. Just changing the cost of that credit a little bit doesn't really do anything. Much of the shopping is either done on 'zero deals' where the debt cost is hidden in the price of the goods so raising rates specifically raises inflation today not cut it!! or consumers are paying double digit funding costs on bad credit so an extra half a percent does nothing.

The only power the BoE really has is to try and keep the GBP stable against the USD.

Conversely, all the domestic power to curb spending lies in Westminster at the FCA.

Want to drop inflation on goods and services as well as reducing the amount being spent on them? Just increase the regulation on 'zero finance' and 'pay later' consumer finance.

Want to curb the inflationary pressure from credit card debt, just wind up the regulation on those lenders to make them reduce limits.

Want to curb the amount of spending on cars, just apply regulatory restrictions to car debt.

The FCA can micromanage every bit of consumer spending within the U.K. The BofE has nothing but a big hammer that no one would let it wield if possible.

In short, the FCA can look at each item in the CPI basket and restrict lending to it almost instantly and bring the CPI number down. Food is more difficult but most people self regulated by changing what they buy and those who can't will generally be on benefits so they can be managed directly.

Going back to what Pill was alluding to, rates always overshoot. Always. What he is saying is that we all want 5% to be the overshoot but that gets less and less likely the more and more pay rises there are to keep people over spending.

Mind you, I wouldn't have phrased his last sound bite the way he did. I wouldn't have said that people need to get used to being less wealthy but instead said that people need to wake up to the reality that they were never as wealthy as they thought and how all that cheap borrowing made them think they were. biggrin

havoc

30,075 posts

235 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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DonkeyApple said:
Mind you, I wouldn't have phrased his last sound bite the way he did. I wouldn't have said that people need to get used to being less wealthy but instead said that people need to wake up to the reality that they were never as wealthy as they thought and how all that cheap borrowing made them think they were. biggrin
yes

Politically though, that would have been, ah, unpalatable.

Agree on FCA vs BoE...sadly our current government is unlikely to do anything useful...

NowWatchThisDrive

690 posts

104 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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Yeah, the "need to accept they're poorer" bit struck me as rather Bailey-esque in phrasing and tone hehe