Mortgage for a mancave

Mortgage for a mancave

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handpaper

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Monday 24th October 2022
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I'm looking to purchase a small former factory building a stone's throw from my house to use as a garage/workshop/storage etc. It's currently owned by a double glazing firm that has other premises elsewhere, and has been shuttered since 2020. Purchase price will be <£100k.
It's registered as B1, and won't be my residence (maybe in the future), so I can't get a 'conventional' residential mortgage.

Any suggestions for mortgage lenders/brokers that might be able to handle such a purchase?

Captain Raymond Holt

12,231 posts

195 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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Sarnie should be able to help - Finance forum

Caddyshack

10,924 posts

207 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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It will be quite a tough one.

Most normal mortgage brokers will not specialise in this.

I would certainly expect 25% to 40% deposit requirement. Most banks will be set up to expect a rental income so will not particularly like the "man cave" bit. They will want to see that it is affordable.

If you have the income and equity I would explore a further advance or secured loan on your current residential first even if this is for some of it as I would expect the commercial costs to be around 8% or more.

I had a client do well with Barclays commercial recently for a plot of land used for raising game birds - no house on there.

I would not mention anything about future habitability , that will just muddy the waters.

Many commercial lenders only want loans of 500k+


I do residential mortgages, I try not to get involved in commercial so someone more in that market may give better advice.

handpaper

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Captain Raymond Holt said:
Sarnie should be able to help - Finance forum
Gah! Didn't notice that forum.
Cheers.

RC1807

12,556 posts

169 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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Be wary that commercial property could be subject to the dreaded "+ VAT" pricing.
My brother personally bought his business's unit and he got his mortgage on the high street.


ETA: and good luck. Even garages where I am command EUR150k+ price tags. frown

Funk

26,321 posts

210 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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@handpaper - have pinged you an email.

handpaper

Original Poster:

1,301 posts

204 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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Caddyshack said:
It will be quite a tough one.

Most normal mortgage brokers will not specialise in this.
I would certainly expect 25% to 40% deposit requirement. Most banks will be set up to expect a rental income so will not particularly like the "man cave" bit. They will want to see that it is affordable.

If you have the income and equity I would explore a further advance or secured loan on your current residential first even if this is for some of it as I would expect the commercial costs to be around 8% or more.

I had a client do well with Barclays commercial recently for a plot of land used for raising game birds - no house on there.

I would not mention anything about future habitability , that will just muddy the waters.

Many commercial lenders only want loans of 500k+


I do residential mortgages, I try not to get involved in commercial so someone more in that market may give better advice.
Affordability isn't an issue, nor is deposit. Further advance wouldn't work as the property is a) >60% mortgaged and b) worth even less!

Caddyshack

10,924 posts

207 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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handpaper said:
Caddyshack said:
It will be quite a tough one.

Most normal mortgage brokers will not specialise in this.
I would certainly expect 25% to 40% deposit requirement. Most banks will be set up to expect a rental income so will not particularly like the "man cave" bit. They will want to see that it is affordable.

If you have the income and equity I would explore a further advance or secured loan on your current residential first even if this is for some of it as I would expect the commercial costs to be around 8% or more.

I had a client do well with Barclays commercial recently for a plot of land used for raising game birds - no house on there.

I would not mention anything about future habitability , that will just muddy the waters.

Many commercial lenders only want loans of 500k+


I do residential mortgages, I try not to get involved in commercial so someone more in that market may give better advice.
Affordability isn't an issue, nor is deposit. Further advance wouldn't work as the property is a) >60% mortgaged and b) worth even less!
Greater than 60% would not be an issue, most lenders will be ok up to 80% and some above, what they need is head room to lend more I.e. you need 75k equity within the required ltv to allow it to release enough.

I didn’t mean your ability to pay when I mentioned affordability, I meant the model that the lender uses to satisfy affordability which is based on how they view your income, outgoings and a stress test applied to that.

Most commercial deals work on a business plan type approach of how will the mortgage be paid and then how you would afford to pay it should that plan not work our so it doesn’t exactly fit your spec for a man cave.

handpaper

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Funk said:
@handpaper - have pinged you an email.
Funk - my email is several years out of date and I can't get PH to change it.
I'll message you my current address.

B'stard Child

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247 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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handpaper said:
Funk said:
@handpaper - have pinged you an email.
Funk - my email is several years out of date and I can't get PH to change it.
I'll message you my current address.
Email address change for me was straightforward

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Kickstart

1,062 posts

238 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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handpaper said:
I'm looking to purchase a small former factory building a stone's throw from my house to use as a garage/workshop/storage etc. It's currently owned by a double glazing firm that has other premises elsewhere, and has been shuttered since 2020. Purchase price will be <£100k.
It's registered as B1, and won't be my residence (maybe in the future), so I can't get a 'conventional' residential mortgage.

Any suggestions for mortgage lenders/brokers that might be able to handle such a purchase?
If you have the funds in a private pension you could buy this as a commercial property - something left field to think about

handpaper

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Monday 24th October 2022
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Caddyshack said:
Greater than 60% would not be an issue, most lenders will be ok up to 80% and some above, what they need is head room to lend more I.e. you need 75k equity within the required ltv to allow it to release enough.

I didn’t mean your ability to pay when I mentioned affordability, I meant the model that the lender uses to satisfy affordability which is based on how they view your income, outgoings and a stress test applied to that.

Most commercial deals work on a business plan type approach of how will the mortgage be paid and then how you would afford to pay it should that plan not work our so it doesn’t exactly fit your spec for a man cave.
Yes, that's what I meant. The proposed mancave purchase price is more than my home is worth. If they lent enough on that, they'd be at ~140% LTV!



Caddyshack

10,924 posts

207 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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handpaper said:
Caddyshack said:
Greater than 60% would not be an issue, most lenders will be ok up to 80% and some above, what they need is head room to lend more I.e. you need 75k equity within the required ltv to allow it to release enough.

I didn’t mean your ability to pay when I mentioned affordability, I meant the model that the lender uses to satisfy affordability which is based on how they view your income, outgoings and a stress test applied to that.

Most commercial deals work on a business plan type approach of how will the mortgage be paid and then how you would afford to pay it should that plan not work our so it doesn’t exactly fit your spec for a man cave.
Yes, that's what I meant. The proposed mancave purchase price is more than my home is worth. If they lent enough on that, they'd be at ~140% LTV!
Yeah, that won’t work then! Lol

Caddyshack

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207 months

Monday 24th October 2022
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Kickstart said:
handpaper said:
I'm looking to purchase a small former factory building a stone's throw from my house to use as a garage/workshop/storage etc. It's currently owned by a double glazing firm that has other premises elsewhere, and has been shuttered since 2020. Purchase price will be <£100k.
It's registered as B1, and won't be my residence (maybe in the future), so I can't get a 'conventional' residential mortgage.

Any suggestions for mortgage lenders/brokers that might be able to handle such a purchase?
If you have the funds in a private pension you could buy this as a commercial property - something left field to think about
I assume you would need to convert to a Sipp and then the trustee would need to be happy that a fair market rent is received…which is. It a bad thing as the pension would receive the rent. You would just need to be certain that you weren’t giving up too much of your retirement if the man cave never received any income after you are done with it?

handpaper

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Monday 7th November 2022
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Well, after a fortnight's enquiries it's not looking very promising. Indeed, it's looking impossible.

I'm starting to consider less conventional routes, such as creating a company to own the building and renting it to myself. Not sure how a lender would view that...

OutInTheShed

7,812 posts

27 months

Monday 7th November 2022
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handpaper said:
Well, after a fortnight's enquiries it's not looking very promising. Indeed, it's looking impossible.

I'm starting to consider less conventional routes, such as creating a company to own the building and renting it to myself. Not sure how a lender would view that...
I suspect a lender would see straight through your company.

It's possible to borrow a fair % on a business proposition. But it has to have some sort of business plan to make money to pay the interest at least.
Unless you can create a business plan, my only useful suggestion is to find a group of people who can bung in say £10k or £20k a head.

Caddyshack

10,924 posts

207 months

Monday 7th November 2022
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handpaper said:
Well, after a fortnight's enquiries it's not looking very promising. Indeed, it's looking impossible.

I'm starting to consider less conventional routes, such as creating a company to own the building and renting it to myself. Not sure how a lender would view that...
Having a company would just need commercial finance. If you can get commercial finance for a newly formed limited co then you can get commercial finance in your own name. The lenders just want to see how it would be let and for how much, if they are happy with that then it doesn’t matter if you never get a tenant although some would want to see tenancy agreements if they rely on that.

A sipp trustee would want to see rent payments and they can be from yourself but if the sipp needs to borrow money then you are back in the loop of the lender underwriting it.

LeoSayer

7,312 posts

245 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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If you haven't already, maybe you could ask the owner if they would be amenable to some kind of long term lease arrangement.

That's got to be better for them than just leaving it shuttered.

InitialDave

11,973 posts

120 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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Following with interest, as this is something I've considered doing once my home mortgage is knocked on the head.

Caddyshack

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207 months

Tuesday 8th November 2022
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LeoSayer said:
If you haven't already, maybe you could ask the owner if they would be amenable to some kind of long term lease arrangement.

That's got to be better for them than just leaving it shuttered.
The Aussies are good at self funding a sale to the buyer - you might be able to agree a purchase over time where you just buy them out?