These adverts for instant loans on TV...

These adverts for instant loans on TV...

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Ved

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3,825 posts

176 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Working from home today so naturally have Dave on in the background with TG repeats on. During the adverts there are lots of companies promoting these payday loans. Now I'm admittedly in a privileged position not needing such people to prop me up but the APR on the loans are nearly 2500%!!!

How can any government allow this type of daylight robbery to go on? Surely it's just praying on the weak and the real money is only benefitting on party in the long run. If I remember there was an episode of The Secret Millionaire who I initially thought was a top bloke, until it came out he was behind a similar type of business.

If anyone on here has or is using one of these services my heart does go out to you as it must be a last resort but FFS it boggles the mind how the people behind these companies sleep at night.

cheadle hulme

2,459 posts

183 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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The APR calculation makes it look worse than it is.

£50 borrowed for a month with £60 repaid a month later is perfectly acceptable if you're skint short term.




durbster

10,293 posts

223 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Yep, it's an annual rate calculated for a short term loan.

madala

5,063 posts

199 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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.....Dave at lunchtime has only adverts for the no-hopers.....short term loans at huge interest rates.....personal injury claim companies and other shoite.

Funny thing is the girl in the add for the personal loan sounds quite posh and is sitting in a very tidy kitchen...as if....but I suppose they can't show some chavvy type loser surrounded by old KFC tubs and McDonalds debris.

I know someone is going to point out that "posh" people sometimes lose the financial plot but at least I would hope they would have the brains not use a quick loan company that charges extortionate interest rates.

Ved

Original Poster:

3,825 posts

176 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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durbster said:
Yep, it's an annual rate calculated for a short term loan.
I know what APR is, I just find it amazing they're doing this. No doubt many customers will not be able to pay it back instantly and constantly be paying it back gradually increasing in line with that %.

dave4959

173 posts

193 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Look at it this way, If I lent you £100, then in a weeks time you paid me back £100 and got me a pint for £3

You would probably think that was fair. However APR wise it is it would be over 150%APR

It is the APR that makes it look worse, however I still would never use them

mcflurry

9,103 posts

254 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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If you borrow £20 from a mate over the weekend, then buy him a pint to say thanks the APR will be even higher..

Hedders

24,460 posts

248 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Every time this topic comes up i ask this question and no one has told me the answer yet smile

When my bank charges me £30 for going £1 overdrawn for one day, what is the APR? hehe



mcflurry

9,103 posts

254 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Hedders said:
When my bank charges me £30 for going £1 overdrawn for one day, what is the APR? hehe
Zero, as a phone call gets the first overdraft mistake wiped out...

bull996

1,442 posts

210 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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This again...........Taken from another website....

"If I lend you £20 and you pay me back and also buy me a pint, let's say the pint is £3.50. That's an interest rate of 17.5% isn't it?

Care to gues how much the APR would be on that little transaction if you paid me back 1 month later? It would be 693%.

What if you paid me back and bought me a pint 2 weeks later - that would be 6,600%

What about 1 week later - how does 438,500% sound to you?!

Makes the loan you're complaining about look like a hell of a bargain doesn't it? Go and learn about compond interest and APRs on short term loans.

Edited to add: - you asked about how much 2356% APR is per week for example. It would be just under 6.3%. In other words, instead of buying me a pint for lending you £20 for a week, you give me the princely sum of £1.26! BARGAIN!"

Mr Darcy

1,006 posts

173 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Hedders said:
Every time this topic comes up i ask this question and no one has told me the answer yet smile

When my bank charges me £30 for going £1 overdrawn for one day, what is the APR? hehe
Not forgetting the 5.00 a day on top of that, well A & L do anyway. I once went 1.57 over my OD limit for 5 days while I was on holiday and it cost me the grand total of 50.00.

My mate uses them all the time he reckons it works out cheaper than going over you OD limit.


central

16,744 posts

218 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Hedders

24,460 posts

248 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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mcflurry said:
Hedders said:
When my bank charges me £30 for going £1 overdrawn for one day, what is the APR? hehe
Zero, as a phone call gets the first overdraft mistake wiped out...
I wish i had known this when the banks were reaming me a new ahole a few years back..


Hedders

24,460 posts

248 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Mr Darcy said:
My mate uses them all the time he reckons it works out cheaper than going over you OD limit.
I have not had to use them but i would do the same as your mate, rather than incur bank charges!

Soovy

35,829 posts

272 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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mcflurry said:
If you borrow £20 from a mate over the weekend, then buy him a pint to say thanks the APR will be even higher..
Exactly this.

Borrow £100 for a month to pay your dealer so your legs don't get broken. Pay back £140.

Sounds like a good deal to me.


These companies provide a service. They can charge what they want, and rightly so. If you don't like it, don't use them.


playerone

872 posts

211 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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One of the national newspapers pointed out that Lloyds charge 11 times more than the payday loan companies if you go into unauthorised overdraft.

mcflurry

9,103 posts

254 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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playerone said:
One of the national newspapers pointed out that Lloyds charge 11 times more than the payday loan companies if you go into unauthorised overdraft.
Or call them in advance and arrange the overdraft. If you can't use a phone, then pop into the branch. Your £20 pub round paid off after the weekend now costs 3 pence in interest smile

(£20 x 17.9% / 365 x 3)


blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

233 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Daylight robbery is it Ved?

If you take the sort of person that borrows money from these kind of places:
If one were to ask you to borrow £50 for a month, what kind of return would you want for risking your £50 to a pikey?

I wouldn't do it in a million years for a mere 2500%, or to put it a less melodramatic way, £10.
Lend £50 to a tramp in the hope of getting £60 back a month later????
THese companies must be insane. I cannot believe they survive.

okgo

38,238 posts

199 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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It seems to only be rather slow people that do not understand this concept.

Hedders

24,460 posts

248 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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mcflurry said:
playerone said:
One of the national newspapers pointed out that Lloyds charge 11 times more than the payday loan companies if you go into unauthorised overdraft.
Or call them in advance and arrange the overdraft. If you can't use a phone, then pop into the branch. Your £20 pub round paid off after the weekend now costs 3 pence in interest smile

(£20 x 17.9% / 365 x 3)
Banks do not give everyone free overdrafts whenever they want them.

7yrs ago I had an account with no overdraft as i didn't want to ever owe the bank money and i was operating on a VERY tight budget. One day they created an overdraft for me so they could add some bank charges, and then added charges for the overdraft. That meant that next month, things slipped a little further and i got more bank charges. Within a year i had extended the overdraft and been given a credit card so i could pay them with that when i didn't have enough overdraft left.

A year later, when i couldn't pay the monthly credit card bill OR the overdraft charges, they gave me a loan to pay it all off....

After four years of paying this off and rebuilding my credit, the bank made a clerical error and I ended up with a CCJ for non payment! It is nice to have those leeches off my back...















Edited by Hedders on Tuesday 29th June 15:05