Bowed external stone wall

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btcc123

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148 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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gobuddygo said:
Just confirmed with her it's a Structural Engineer who apparently works for the company who did the work, may need to get more details and she cant find the guarantee.

It wont sell as it is several viewers have mentioned it and have never been seen since.
That is what your step daughter should have done.

TA14

12,722 posts

259 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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It seems straight forward as these things go: the company that did the work issued a ten year guarantee and they now say that the wall needs to be rebuilt so that work will presumably be done under the guarantee.

Grandad Gaz

5,095 posts

247 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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15" is a hell of a lot. The first floor joists must run parallel with the bowed walls, otherwise they would have collapsed by now!

227bhp

10,203 posts

129 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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At least with the extra space she'll be able to fit in that flat screen TV she's always wanted anyhow.

Busa mav

2,563 posts

155 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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227bhp said:
At least with the extra space she'll be able to fit in that flat screen TV she's always wanted anyhow.
Hang it sideways and you could have a flush fitting curved screen biggrin

Seriously , 15" ! I am surprised that anybody visiting the house would think its ok to just restrain and mask the problem.

I would have at least expected them to put steel rods running through the house to the back wall , but given how bad it is , it would probably have pulled that wall over too.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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TA14 said:
It seems straight forward as these things go: the company that did the work issued a ten year guarantee and they now say that the wall needs to be rebuilt so that work will presumably be done under the guarantee.
really? rofl


TA14

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259 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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Grandad Gaz said:
15" is a hell of a lot. The first floor joists must run parallel with the bowed walls, otherwise they would have collapsed by now!
Rather than the normal meaning of back to back I think he means that it's a rubble fill stone wall and the external leaf has parted from the inner leaf which has not moved; this would account for the lack of damage inside. You would think that the walls ties are actually pattress plates and rods.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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TA14 said:
Rather than the normal meaning of back to back I think he means that it's a rubble fill stone wall and the external leaf has parted from the inner leaf which has not moved; this would account for the lack of damage inside. You would think that the walls ties are actually pattress plates and rods.
Its possible with that construction for the internal face of the wall to be vertical still too. OP can you put a photo on?

gobuddygo

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1,387 posts

186 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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TA14 said:
Rather than the normal meaning of back to back I think he means that it's a rubble fill stone wall and the external leaf has parted from the inner leaf which has not moved; this would account for the lack of damage inside.


That's exactly what's happened and by back to back i mean like this each side of the red line is a separate house, common around Leeds.




gobuddygo

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186 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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very difficult to get a photo that shows the full extent of the bow.

Wall in Question





Internal pic of how much the window has moved outwards, this was all newly plastered before she moved in.


TA14

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259 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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gobuddygo said:
TA14 said:
Rather than the normal meaning of back to back I think he means that it's a rubble fill stone wall and the external leaf has parted from the inner leaf which has not moved; this would account for the lack of damage inside.


That's exactly what's happened and by back to back i mean like this each side of the red line is a separate house, common around Leeds.

Oh, fair play to you. The last ones in Manchester went in the final rounds of slum clearance in the '70s.

TA14

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259 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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gobuddygo said:
very difficult to get a photo that shows the full extent of the bow.

Wall in Question

That's not a bad 'photo though. How tall is the opening part of that window? 18"? A 15" bow would be further out than the window...

Given that the wall is still moving I wouldn't be happy with anything less than a rebuilt wall. I'd also want to survey it first (like contours turned through 90 degrees) and determine why it started moving.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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That's a can of worms right there

gobuddygo

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1,387 posts

186 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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TA14 said:
That's not a bad 'photo though. How tall is the opening part of that window? 18"? A 15" bow would be further out than the window...

Given that the wall is still moving I wouldn't be happy with anything less than a rebuilt wall. I'd also want to survey it first (like contours turned through 90 degrees) and determine why it started moving.
Remember the window has moved out with the wall, and I agree I think it needs a full rebuild will be contacting the original company but can see lots of clauses being quoted, i will out of interest let you know how we get on but step daughter would just rather pay for the rebuild.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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£15k off the asking

227bhp

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129 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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Simpo Two said:
How about those big round wall tie plate thingies? Could stop it going any further, and maybe crank it in half a turn once a week...?
They go from ext wall to ext wall so can't be used in a back to back - unless you own both or it's been knocked through of course.

Simpo Two

85,700 posts

266 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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227bhp said:
Simpo Two said:
How about those big round wall tie plate thingies? Could stop it going any further, and maybe crank it in half a turn once a week...?
They go from ext wall to ext wall so can't be used in a back to back - unless you own both or it's been knocked through of course.
Hmm, tricky, unless the other 'half' wants to participate.

Buttress? It's worked on churches etc for centuries.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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Simpo Two said:
Hmm, tricky, unless the other 'half' wants to participate.

Buttress? It's worked on churches etc for centuries.
It would be a huge buttress and we don't know who owns the land next to the wall. If the joists are parallel to the wall it could be restrained back to them provided it's just a local bowing - if it's the whole wall then no as it'll take the floor with it. My money is on rebuilding an area. At least that way it's less visible in the future as if just restrained then the buyer will have all this over again when they come to sell.
Reduce price now, do the job properly and forget it.

TA14

12,722 posts

259 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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gobuddygo said:
TA14 said:
That's not a bad 'photo though. How tall is the opening part of that window? 18"? A 15" bow would be further out than the window...

Given that the wall is still moving I wouldn't be happy with anything less than a rebuilt wall. I'd also want to survey it first (like contours turned through 90 degrees) and determine why it started moving.
Remember the window has moved out with the wall,
Yes, I have allowed for that. It's about a quarter of what you think it is.

Simpo Two

85,700 posts

266 months

Thursday 17th December 2015
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Well I'm down to my last idea. Dynamite and insurance nuts